Paris shooting and casualties ?

[Stickyfinger]

JuniorD said:

When it comes to cultures, perhaps we should scrutinise French culture for a second.

First Indochina War - November 1946, over 6,000 Vietnamese civilians killed by French in one afternoon

Paris massacre of 1961; at least 48 Algerian people killed by the French National Police

etc etc.

You forgot that the nasty Humanoids kicked out the nice Neanderthals.

[anonymous-user]

johnxjsc1985 said:

then you must love RT then.

Not much, but some of the presenters are fit in that hard faced "Yes, we make hot date, you buy me more champagne now" sort of way.

[anonymous-user]

Zod said:

Breadvan72 said:

And, no, I don't spend all my time in some protected enclave, and I do know what it's like in Bradford. I was there just the other week. What a dump.

Oi, that's the city of my birth that you're being correct about!

Bradford Grammar School, eh? Perhaps you are of the same cohort as my old mucker Ian "Bradford" Dawson. If so, you may care to know that he is now stinking rich and living in Gloucestershire, or something.

[Zod]

Breadvan72 said:

Zod said:

Breadvan72 said:

And, no, I don't spend all my time in some protected enclave, and I do know what it's like in Bradford. I was there just the other week. What a dump.

Oi, that's the city of my birth that you're being correct about!

Bradford Grammar School, eh? Perhaps you are of the same cohort as my old mucker Ian "Bradford" Dawson. If so, you may care to know that he is now stinking rich and living in Gloucestershire, or something.

How old?

[irocfan]

Digga said:

Or the school nurses being intimidated by locals who are being intimidated by members of the Muslim community for trying to inoculated children against flu? (The vaccine contains pig gelatine.)

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/Muslim-children-miss-f...

IIRC we had a similar problem about 150 years ago in India where Hindu soldier in the army were expected to bite off a cartridge cover smeared in cow fat... so in 150 years we've learned nothing if it is true that vaccine contains pig gelatin then someone seriously needs to get their arse kicked and hard!!

[irocfan]

JuniorD said:

When it comes to cultures, perhaps we should scrutinise French culture for a second.

First Indochina War - November 1946, over 6,000 Vietnamese civilians killed by French in one afternoon

Paris massacre of 1961; at least 48 Algerian people killed by the French National Police

etc etc.

and? German politicians are now welcome in Israel, Russians and Germans now do business and are friends your point is?

[Zod]

irocfan said:

Digga said:

Or the school nurses being intimidated by locals who are being intimidated by members of the Muslim community for trying to inoculated children against flu? (The vaccine contains pig gelatine.)

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/Muslim-children-miss-f...

IIRC we had a similar problem about 150 years ago in India where Hindu soldier in the army were expected to bite off a cartridge cover smeared in cow fat... so in 150 years we've learned nothing if it is true that vaccine contains pig gelatin then someone seriously needs to get their arse kicked and hard!!

Doesn't most commercial gelatine come from cow bones?

[Digga]

Zod said:

irocfan said:

Digga said:

Or the school nurses being intimidated by locals who are being intimidated by members of the Muslim community for trying to inoculated children against flu? (The vaccine contains pig gelatine.)

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/Muslim-children-miss-f...

IIRC we had a similar problem about 150 years ago in India where Hindu soldier in the army were expected to bite off a cartridge cover smeared in cow fat... so in 150 years we've learned nothing if it is true that vaccine contains pig gelatin then someone seriously needs to get their arse kicked and hard!!

Doesn't most commercial gelatine come from cow bones?

No and this issue has kicked off major unpleasantness. A friend, who is a school nurse in another area felt suitable threatened to remove her social media profiles, for her own safety.

[JuniorD]

irocfan said:

JuniorD said:

When it comes to cultures, perhaps we should scrutinise French culture for a second.

First Indochina War - November 1946, over 6,000 Vietnamese civilians killed by French in one afternoon

Paris massacre of 1961; at least 48 Algerian people killed by the French National Police

etc etc.

and? German politicians are now welcome in Israel, Russians and Germans now do business and are friends your point is?

It was said that our culture is superior to Muslim culture. It's not really.

We have a modern culture of imperialism - raping and piliging coutries all over the globe for the last few centuries, and doing whatever the hell we wanted with impunity. I think we are quite sophisticated at it now in that it's less overt, but we still just about get our way. The likes of ISIS are repeating the same process, it just looks rather anachronistic in the digital age. Every doggie has it's day and our hands are as dirty as theirs.

[Derek Smith]

irocfan said:

IIRC we had awasimilar problem about 150 years ago in India where Hindu soldier in the army were expected to bite off a cartridge cover smeared in cow fat... so in 150 years we've learned nothing if it is true that vaccine contains pig gelatin then someone seriously needs to get their arse kicked and hard!!

That was what I was taught but some years ago there was research which suggested that the cartridges were covered in beeswax and that those wishing to stir up hatred had spread the lie, lies actually, that they were covered in pig or cow fat, so upsetting two religions for the price of one.

The original rumour wasn't believed at first by most but some bod in the Indian army thought it would be helpful if the sepoys were allowed to manufacture their own cartridges and cover them in beeswax, and this was used to 'prove' that the British has lied originally and they cartridges were covered in pig/cow (depending on whoever it was you were trying to convince) derived products.

So it would appear that those wishing to stir up trouble have learnt something from history.

[rovermorris999]

JuniorD said:

It was said that our culture is superior to Muslim culture. It's not really.

As things stand today, it is.

[ofcorsa]

Digga said:

AJS- said:

It's not about a Muslim army marching across Europe subjugating everyone in it's path, but a slow encroaching imposition of Islamism by mostly political means, with the threat of violence through riots and terrorism, and false moderates like the Muslim Council of Britain as the peacemakers, telling us what we need to accommodate next.

Like this? http://order-order.com/2015/11/30/labour-hold-anot...

Or the school nurses being intimidated by locals who are being intimidated by members of the Muslim community for trying to inoculated children against flu? (The vaccine contains pig gelatine.)

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/Muslim-children-miss-f...

Maybe those who wont take the vaccine for religious reasons could just pray they don't get flu?

[irocfan]

anonymous said:

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have some cultural sensitivity - surely it's not beyond wit or reason to produce said medicine with no porcine residues?

[JagLover]

JuniorD said:

It was said that our culture is superior to Muslim culture. It's not really.

We have a modern culture of imperialism - raping and piliging coutries all over the globe for the last few centuries, and doing whatever the hell we wanted with impunity.

The pillaging does get very overstated I feel. Many imperial ventures were not particularly profitable and, if you take Africa for example, we probably got more from trading with them prior to the Scramble for Africa than the net benefit after costs of administration and transport networks afterwards.

Regardless you are rather missing the point. There was a western culture developing over the entirety of the imperial period that was moving continuously toward greater democracy, rights for women, freedom of speech and religion. It was just not shared with the "natives" who were viewed as rather less than human until developments in the post WW2 period.

There has been no such development in the Muslim world and in contrast many have retreated further into an obscurantist Mediaeval mind set over that time period.

However, as I have said before, whether a culture is "better" or not depends on your starting point. Many would consider a more religious ascetic way of life to be superior to that of the west. In East Asia individual freedom might take a back seat to a more family and communal based existence and with great deference to elders.

Saying that however does not mean we should not vigorously defend our culture and prevent it being supplanted by another which is then imposed upon us.

[anonymous-user]

Zod said:

How old?

52-53 ish

[Zod]

Breadvan72 said:

Zod said:

How old?

52-53 ish

Ah, he'd have been four or five years ahead of me.

[anonymous-user]

OK, I hope he didn't bum you in the showers.

[0000]

irocfan said:

have some cultural sensitivity - surely it's not beyond wit or reason to produce said medicine with no porcine residues?

How much money do you feel is reasonable to pay for such cultural sensitivities?

[Weary of internet morons]

JuniorD said:

irocfan said:

JuniorD said:

When it comes to cultures, perhaps we should scrutinise French culture for a second.

First Indochina War - November 1946, over 6,000 Vietnamese civilians killed by French in one afternoon

Paris massacre of 1961; at least 48 Algerian people killed by the French National Police

etc etc.

and? German politicians are now welcome in Israel, Russians and Germans now do business and are friends your point is?

It was said that our culture is superior to Muslim culture. It's not really.

We have a modern culture of imperialism - raping and piliging coutries all over the globe for the last few centuries, and doing whatever the hell we wanted with impunity. I think we are quite sophisticated at it now in that it's less overt, but we still just about get our way. The likes of ISIS are repeating the same process, it just looks rather anachronistic in the digital age. Every doggie has it's day and our hands are as dirty as theirs.

Interesting that the most recent date you quote is 54 years ago. Why not go back to, oh, well... the Crusades of course! They are so relevant now after all, to some. And reflect ''our' culture so well.. Meanwhile I missed the bit in Jeremy Hunt's policy initiative where female dentists will be subject to beheading for treating females. Or would that be the culture minister's remit, rather than health?

[bigkeeko]

It seems this thread has deviated from its original theme of the Paris shootings and its casualties to defendants and opponents of Islam. However, I can see how we have arrived here as Islam, like it or lump it, is the main cause of the bulk of current global terrorism and conflict. To the defendants of this `religion` the argument of other faiths causing ills of the world may have been true in history but these faiths, especially Christianity, has had to give so much ground in recent times but worryingly Islam is on the the ascendency. In other words people are less pious, more educated and better off than they've ever been until recently.
All religion is hard to accept and equally wrong in the same way (as a free thinking individual) as they all take faith over reason. As a species we are trying to evolve but the spreading and advocating of the most toxic religion yet is a threat. If the Islamic world really was on a par with the West, that it is fleeing to, yet refuses to assimilate in, it would not be such a sea of oppression, terror, war and poverty.

I can say this with absolute confidence just by listening to every day people in every day places. Islam isn't wanted nor appreciated here. The majority of people living in western, civilised, advanced countries would be quite happy for this incongruity to stay within its own self inflicted and failed societies.

Edited by bigkeeko on Monday 30th November 17:41