Commons vote on Syria airstrikes (round 2).
Discussion
After Cameron's failure to win parliamentary approval to launch military action against Assad in 2013 we are going to have another vote on bombing Syria sometime soon. Of course this time we'll be leaving Assad alone and concentrating on ISIS.
What difference will expanding our operations into Syria actually make? The Americans and the French have aircraft carriers in the region and both have lots of air power - F16s, fifth-generation F-22s, B52 and B2 bombers, Rafale and Mirage jets etc.
Will 7 or 8 British Tornados really make a significant difference?
Politically it will be interesting to see Labour implode over this issue. Many senior Labour MPs will vote with the government just to get one over on Corbyn. Some said the last vote was humiliating for Dave, well this one may well be the same for the Labour leader.
bbc said:
David Cameron has promised a "comprehensive strategy" to win MPs' backing for bombing Islamic State militants in Syria as well as Iraq.
The prime minister told the Commons the Paris attacks had strengthened the case for air strikes, suggesting there could be a fresh vote on the issue.
He wanted to "do the right thing for our country", and hit the "head of the snake" of IS in Raqqa, Syria, he said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34846457The prime minister told the Commons the Paris attacks had strengthened the case for air strikes, suggesting there could be a fresh vote on the issue.
He wanted to "do the right thing for our country", and hit the "head of the snake" of IS in Raqqa, Syria, he said.
What difference will expanding our operations into Syria actually make? The Americans and the French have aircraft carriers in the region and both have lots of air power - F16s, fifth-generation F-22s, B52 and B2 bombers, Rafale and Mirage jets etc.
Will 7 or 8 British Tornados really make a significant difference?
Politically it will be interesting to see Labour implode over this issue. Many senior Labour MPs will vote with the government just to get one over on Corbyn. Some said the last vote was humiliating for Dave, well this one may well be the same for the Labour leader.
Edited by BlackLabel on Tuesday 17th November 17:36
eldar said:
Esseesse said:
I'd rather we didn't and we unhitched our foreign policy from Uncle Sams.
1916 & 1943. Who needs Americans, we do a brilliant job by ourselves.I read something earlier about France invoking Article whatever with the EU, which if agreed (presumably by Ange?) would compel us to join in with their action.
If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
paulrockliffe said:
I read something earlier about France invoking Article whatever with the EU, which if agreed (presumably by Ange?) would compel us to join in with their action.
If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
Not sure but it isn't just a scare story that they're in the process of building combined EU military structures, so I wouldn't be surprised.If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
paulrockliffe said:
I read something earlier about France invoking Article whatever with the EU, which if agreed (presumably by Ange?) would compel us to join in with their action.
If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
NATO not EU.If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
Esseesse said:
eldar said:
Esseesse said:
I'd rather we didn't and we unhitched our foreign policy from Uncle Sams.
1916 & 1943. Who needs Americans, we do a brilliant job by ourselves.Catweazle said:
paulrockliffe said:
I read something earlier about France invoking Article whatever with the EU, which if agreed (presumably by Ange?) would compel us to join in with their action.
If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
NATO not EU.If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
Catweazle said:
paulrockliffe said:
I read something earlier about France invoking Article whatever with the EU, which if agreed (presumably by Ange?) would compel us to join in with their action.
If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
NATO not EU.If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
Mr_B said:
Don't bother, they hardly need a handful of ageing RAF bombers. This smacks of just wanting to say you were at the party.
That probably is why Cameron is keen to secure the vote.Not national security, and definitely not a wish to avoid relying on the military capabilities of member states without contributing our own in direct action - no, there's a war party and he wants to be at it. Maybe he'll give it a Tripadvisor review after - good, but a bit sandy and the reception at check-in unfriendly.
Wait, no. That's not right at all.
Axionknight said:
Catweazle said:
paulrockliffe said:
I read something earlier about France invoking Article whatever with the EU, which if agreed (presumably by Ange?) would compel us to join in with their action.
If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
NATO not EU.If that's the case, Dave is going to need Commons permission first or he'll end up looking like a tit if we're forced to do it anyway by the EU. Nigel will have a field day.
Anyone know what the exact deal with that is?
Added to the Lisbon Treaty and Greece initially tabled the idea apparently - who knew?
http://www.politico.eu/article/what-is-article-42-...
http://www.politico.eu/article/what-is-article-42-...
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