Turkey Shoots Down Jet Near Syria Border

[irocfan]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Halb said:

el stovey said:

There's so many anti Assad groups fighting in northern Syria, it's hard to keep up. There are good and bad Kurds, free Syrian army, Al Qaeda, Turkish Malitia and god knows who else.

'Bad' Kurds?

Bad Kurds have a whey about them

but it's a lemon

[Halb]

Jonesy23 said:

PKK are nutty communists & have a bit of a history. Other groups not so much.

I think they left the communist bit a while ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers'_P...
Interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers'_P...

[dudleybloke]

irocfan said:

but it's a lemon

Tart!

[superkartracer]

http://news.sky.com/story/1593378/russian-jet-shot...

Vid around an hour ago showing the scum assembling a TOW ? and blowing the rescue helicopter to bits , defo going to blow over.

[Pickled]

tuffer said:

How about this.....

I think the boys in Thames House, which is just to the left (if looking the direction of your arrow) of your launch site, might notice it.

[irocfan]

dudleybloke said:

Tart!

slut

[Lunar Tick]

I wonder if Putin might unilaterally impose a no-fly zone over the Kurdish region of Syria that the Turks have been bombing. I guess that being invited in by Assad to help defend Syria, it would be legitimate under international law to do so. That would then ps off Turkey and leaves open the option of Russia shooting down any Turkish planes that stray into this area....

[vonuber]

Pickled said:

I think the boys in Thames House, which is just to the left of your launch site, might notice it.

Thanes house doesn't exist. It's now Riverwalk, luxury living for your local despot.
Just don't ask about the car park ramp.

[tuffer]

Pickled said:

tuffer said:

How about this.....

I think the boys in Thames House, which is just to the left (if looking the direction of your arrow) of your launch site, might notice it.

It was just given as an example of an attack, how about an Airliner on a runway, >300 people on board, that would get you noticed.

[plasticpig]

Jonesy23 said:

PKK are nutty communists & have a bit of a history. Other groups not so much.

A lot of the Kurds fighting in Syria are PYD which is affiliated with the PKK (Turkish Kurds). The Iraqi and Iranian Kurds on the whole are a far more civilized bunch.

[Pickled]

vonuber said:

Pickled said:

I think the boys in Thames House, which is just to the left of your launch site, might notice it.

Thanes house doesn't exist. It's now Riverwalk, luxury living for your local despot.
Just don't ask about the car park ramp.

Where have 5 moved to then? Still saying Thames House on the MI5 website, or is it some some secret double buff?

[PorkInsider]

Are the Russian pilots definitely dead, or will we now see Turkey performing some miraculous 'rescue' behind enemy lines to get back in the good books?

[bitchstewie]

From what I just saw on the Daily Mail they're pretty definitively dead.

I don't get the politics of that region - I particularly don't get why you'd choose to ps off Russia simply because as a person I have a list of people I know who I don't want to get on the wrong side of - if I was a country and I had such a list, Russia would definitely be on it.

[Pesty]

PorkInsider said:

Are the Russian pilots definitely dead, or will we now see Turkey performing some miraculous 'rescue' behind enemy lines, to get back in the good books?

There appears to be videos of at least one pilot with many a snack bar in the background. Probably the helicopter pilots and crew too.

[Eric Mc]

bhstewie said:

From what I just saw on the Daily Mail they're pretty definitively dead.

I don't get the politics of that region - I particularly don't get why you'd choose to ps off Russia simply because as a person I have a list of people I know who I don't want to get on the wrong side of - if I was a country and I had such a list, Russia would definitely be on it.

If people are essentially part of a suicide cult, maybe mass extermination is what they want to bring on themselves.

[Cobnapint]

Lucas Ayde said:

irocfan said:

starting to look like the Turks are quite literally playing Russian roulette here. Seriously, bad enough to shoot the plane down to begin with but then make your first port of call NATO rather than an apologetic call to the Russians?? Dumb, dumb, dumb. Does seem like this could be the end of Turkey's european ambitions

As posted elsewhere in the thread, Merkel was prepared to overlook all manner of issues with Turkish behaviour on human rights and free speech and fast track them last month when it suited her. No reason it couldn't prove politically expedient for a powerful European leader to do so at some point in the future.

As for the Turks, they might want to think twice the next time they send their jets over Syria to bomb the Kurds. Seems to be the sort of environment where accidents can happen.

Never trusted Turkey, never will. Letting them in the EU would be a grave error of judgement.

Looks like having them in NATO was at the minute.

[bitchstewie]

Eric Mc said:

If people are essentially part of a suicide cult, maybe mass extermination is what they want to bring on themselves.

I was thinking more of the Turkish "official" state (not sure of the word) forces shooting down the plane in the first place.

We read of planes coming close to UK territory. OK I know the media like to dramatise and it happens frequently but there isn't a cat in hells that we'd shoot one down if it did venture into our territory because to do so would serve no purpose and would be quite literally be poking the bear to make a cheap and mad political point - Turkey seem to have done just that.

I'm probably taking a very simplistic and naive view but it seems dumb in the extreme.

[mcgandalf]

News breaking that a Russian soldier has been killed in the search for the downed pilots.

Was he on the helicopter which did an emergency landing earlier - killed by 'rebels' or others on the ground?

What a mess.

[Eric Mc]

Maybe Jeremy Corbyn was right after all. Just keep out of the area. It looks like it's such a mess that mistakes and misunderstandings are going to abound - with potential for political embarrassment and tragedy everywhere.

[Lefty]

mcgandalf said:

News breaking that a Russian soldier has been killed in the search for the downed pilots.

Was he on the helicopter which did an emergency landing earlier - killed by 'rebels' or others on the ground?

What a mess.

Linky?