Turkey Shoots Down Jet Near Syria Border

[Smollet]

Eric Mc said:

On the cards for the past few weeks. It will blow over.

Indeed it will. I wonder how many people here were around during the Cuban Missile crisis. What's happening now is nothing compared to that when you went to bed not knowing if it would be your last day on earth.

[dandarez]

Smollet said:

Eric Mc said:

On the cards for the past few weeks. It will blow over.

Indeed it will. I wonder how many people here were around during the Cuban Missile crisis. What's happening now is nothing compared to that when you went to bed not knowing if it would be your last day on earth.

It does seem mild today to those of us in those days. Cuba, then a year later the President of the USA gets assassinated... yeah, does seem mild in comparison.

Depends I suppose if the 2 Russians who baled out are now in safe or unsafe hands. Strange thing about all this is it now confirmed the jet crashed on 'Syrian' soil, not Turkish, which sort of shows infringement of Turkey border must have been minimal, if at all.
Mad world, but as referenced above, it always has been.

What makes me laugh today is the response of those in power, like the USA today telling Americans 'not to go to crowded places', and our idiots telling us to 'run, hide, tell'. Do they take us for absolute fools? Yes.

[Einion Yrth]

Smollet said:

how many people here were around during the Cuban Missile crisis

I was two. It wasn't an overwhelming concern.

[superkartracer]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/...

Dead pilot is now reported to be in the hands of anti-Assad rebels from the Alwiya Al-‘Ashar group .

Yeah , i'm sure it'll be all fine and just blow over .

[Smollet]

Einion Yrth said:

Smollet said:

how many people here were around during the Cuban Missile crisis

I was two. It wasn't an overwhelming concern.

If it had gone tits up I think it may have been

[turbobloke]

Einion Yrth said:

Smollet said:

how many people here were around during the Cuban Missile crisis

I was two. It wasn't an overwhelming concern.

I had chickenpox, parental application of calamine lotion was my overwhelming concern.

[dandarez]

Einion Yrth said:

Smollet said:

how many people here were around during the Cuban Missile crisis

I was two. It wasn't an overwhelming concern.

I was 12. I didn't panic at all over the October crisis, I was more worried if I was going to get the cane at school, and hoping Xmas would bring me the racing bike I dearly wanted.

[Smollet]

dandarez said:

I was 12. I didn't panic at all over the October crisis, I was more worried if I was going to get the cane at school, and hoping Xmas would bring me the racing bike I dearly wanted.

I was 9 and it did bother me as I thought I wouldn't get to be 10 and that's when life started or so I was told

[EricE]

I know that we'll have to wait for the facts but what are the chances that the NATO will throw Turkey under the bus if it turns out that they shot down the Jet in Syrian airspace?

[Smollet]

EricE said:

I know that we'll have to wait for the facts but what are the chances that the NATO will throw Turkey under the bus if it turns out that they shot down the Jet in Syrian airspace?

The responses from Moscow have been surprisingly restrained so far. If they knew for a fact that the plane was shot down outside Turkey than I'd expect a far more voluble reaction. Methinks they tried it on and got caught.

[smithyithy]

Will the captured pilot survive, do we think?

Will be interesting to see as these Turkmens are opposed to Assad (and in turn Russia) but aren't aligned with ISIS (and hopefully not on their wavelength of executing people left and right).

I think there'll be more instances like this in the short term to be honest.

[petrolsniffer]

Elroy Blue said:

Erdogan closed down all the newspapers and TV stations that refused to support him. He arrested the Editors. It's a dictatorship with a legitimate face.

But thats ok because he 'keeps them all in order' right?

[RYH64E]

From this flight track (if accurate) it doesn't appear that the Russian jet was in Turkish airspace for very long.

https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/66909857752...

[hornetrider]

RYH64E said:

From this flight track (if accurate) it doesn't appear that the Russian jet was in Turkish airspace for very long.

https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/66909857752...

Can you be a little bit pregnant?

[RYH64E]

hornetrider said:

RYH64E said:

From this flight track (if accurate) it doesn't appear that the Russian jet was in Turkish airspace for very long.

https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/66909857752...

Can you be a little bit pregnant?

If true, the transgression into Turkish airspace doesn't appear to justify shooting down an airplane and killing at least one of the crew, not to mention the fact that the airplane was Russian, and the Russians have both the capacity and mentality for a very significant response.

[EricE]

RYH64E said:

From this flight track (if accurate) it doesn't appear that the Russian jet was in Turkish airspace for very long.

https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/66909857752...

2-3 kilometers according to Google Maps. It would have taken a jet only a few seconds to fly that distance.

12.75 seconds at 700 km/h (SU24 maximum speed is 1315 km/h according to wikipedia).

Edited by EricE on Tuesday 24th November 11:36

[Strocky]

hornetrider said:

RYH64E said:

From this flight track (if accurate) it doesn't appear that the Russian jet was in Turkish airspace for very long.

https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/66909857752...

Can you be a little bit pregnant?

Nope, however you can be a big lot stupid poking the Bear

[Puggit]

RYH64E said:

If true, the transgression into Turkish airspace doesn't appear to justify shooting down an airplane and killing at least one of the crew, not to mention the fact that the airplane was Russian, and the Russians have both the capacity and mentality for a very significant response.

I wonder what the Koreans think about that...

[red_slr]

EricE said:

RYH64E said:

From this flight track (if accurate) it doesn't appear that the Russian jet was in Turkish airspace for very long.

https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/66909857752...

2-3 kilometers according to Google Maps. It would have taken a jet only a few seconds to fly that distance.

Edited by EricE on Tuesday 24th November 11:31

Which is why it does not add up - to be able to get into position to fire is going to take some time and I expect this type of engagement to take a couple of minutes not a few seconds. I wonder if it was ground to air....

[Digga]

aberdeeneuan said:

fathomfive said:

Hooli said:

Elroy Blue said:

knitware said:

You would think that Turkey would have more interest in the Russians ridding ISIS from their border than a slight infringement into their airspace, oh hang on...

Turkish Police discovered an arms shipment heading for ISIS. Medals all around. No. Erdogan, Turkey's lovely Predident, ordered the arrest of all the Judges and Police Officers involved. The man is the Dictator in the region and the West just sit back and watch

Sounds about right from most things I read about the place. What I don't get is why people choose to go there on holiday.

Hot + Cheap = Easy to ignore highly questionable leadership.

I suspect a lot of people don't look at that last point, or even know.

Quite. It's like ste el Ahark or whatever; it was on my "no go" list for some time but, as with Turkey, I know plenty of people who went without even a single thought of the risks, because they were blindly ignorant of them. Drinks were cheap though, so that's alright I suppose.