Turkey Shoots Down Jet Near Syria Border

[Pesty]

3 days after finishing that polonium kebab he's just started.

[vonuber]

Halb said:

Erdogan...wonder how long he'll last?

He's a real evil fker. Surprised we haven't rolled out the red carpet for him.

[Halb]

rb26 said:

http://www.ekathimerini.com/203355/article/ekathim...

http://www.ekathimerini.com/202640/article/ekathim...

Interesting, not a single one shot down by the Greeks.

Edited by rb26 on Tuesday 24th November 19:32

"that one dogfight occurred"
!!!

st. I idn't know that was going on. No wonder Turkey ran to NATO as fast as it could.
Bit like the nasty bull-tag-along who acts outside of the scope of the bully and then panics on his own.

[Wills2]

Well they've got history.

[Pesty]

Wills2 said:

Well they've got history.

Lots of history

Shhhhh it never happened ok. I don't think anybody notice and you didn't say the g word so we are good.

[rb26]

I think the point is, there is obviously more to this than the numerous 'incursion into Turkish airspace' by the Russian airforce. NATO wants Assad out, whilst the Russians want to keep him in power. These extremists are a useful proxy force to further the ambitions of the USA in the region. This escalation will hopefully peter out and Russia will continue to do the fantastic job they're doing in destroying the extremists strongholds.

[petrolsniffer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0

Footage of the 'shooting down' the russian chopper

History repeating itself?

IIRC the rebels are required to film every kill/destoryed target and return casing and keep detailed records.

[Kawasicki]

Vaud said:

Kawasicki said:

It's analagous to shooting someone because they've taken a short cut across your front garden.

Poor analogy.

Shooting someone because they have been in your front garden carrying massive weapons and have not heeded numerous warnings, and then you shoot them once with the minimum force you could/

You've incorrectly attributed the quote to me.

Your scenario still doesn't justify killing a person over.

[Vaud]

Kawasicki said:

You've incorrectly attributed the quote to me.

Apologies.

Kawasicki said:

Your scenario still doesn't justify killing a person over.

At a state level I disagree.

[Kawasicki]

Vaud said:

At a state level I disagree.

I think a state should be more difficult to intimidate than an individual.

[ATG]

Elroy Blue said:

There's a video on Twitter of a helicopter being (claimed to be Russian) being destroyed with a US supplied TOW missile. That'll go down well. There's also a picture of a dead Russian pilot with multiple gunshot wounds.
The 'good' Syrian opposition showing their true colours.

It is worth bearing in mind that the Russians were bombing these people, so getting a friendly response was going to be a bit of a stretch.

[stevemiller]

Pesty said:

3 days after finishing that polonium kebab he's just started.

Just pissed my pants lol.

[Halb]

stevemiller said:

Pesty said:

3 days after finishing that polonium kebab he's just started.

Just pissed my pants lol.

Oh have you had one too?

[loveice]

ATG said:

Elroy Blue said:

There's a video on Twitter of a helicopter being (claimed to be Russian) being destroyed with a US supplied TOW missile. That'll go down well. There's also a picture of a dead Russian pilot with multiple gunshot wounds.
The 'good' Syrian opposition showing their true colours.

It is worth bearing in mind that the Russians were bombing these people, so getting a friendly response was going to be a bit of a stretch.

Nobody is saying they should be 'friendly' to those two airmen. The question is should we support someone who shoot dead airmen in the middle of the air after their plane is down? What's the point of replacing the current government with those people? Just imagine if those two were American or British. And that F16 was replaced by a Mig. And those 'rebels' were the Ukraine 'rebels'. How would the media report such a news?

[ATG]

loveice said:

ATG said:

Elroy Blue said:

There's a video on Twitter of a helicopter being (claimed to be Russian) being destroyed with a US supplied TOW missile. That'll go down well. There's also a picture of a dead Russian pilot with multiple gunshot wounds.
The 'good' Syrian opposition showing their true colours.

It is worth bearing in mind that the Russians were bombing these people, so getting a friendly response was going to be a bit of a stretch.

Nobody is saying they should be 'friendly' to those two airmen. The question is should we support someone who shoot dead airmen in the middle of the air after their plane is down? What's the point of replacing the current government with those people? Just imagine if those two were American or British. And that F16 was replaced by a Mig. And those 'rebels' were the Ukraine 'rebels'. How would the media report such a news?

Exactly the same way. Disorganised militia behaves like a disorganised militia. No doubt a lot of its commanders are a pretty unsavory bunch of thugs. No surprises there. It still doesn't put them in the same league as ISIS though, and they still need to be included in the process of stabilising Syria along with many other rebel groups.

Might be worth rolling the tape back a bit and asking why the Russians were bombing this lot in the first place. Answer: because they're trying to reduce this conflict to a choice between Asad and ISIS by removing the other anti-Assad groups from the game. Russia would like the West to be left with a choice between Assad and ISIS.

All those on this thread saying Russia is doing a great job attacking ISIS are, I think, at risk of missing Russia's wider game. If they were just attacking ISIS that'd be great, but they aren't. If they were just attacking ISIS they wouldn't have lost this aircraft and its crew as they wouldn't have been bombing this group in the first place.

Edited by ATG on Tuesday 24th November 23:15

[s3fella]

Halb said:

'Bad' Kurds?

Way!

[pops666tt]

Have you all forgot what Russia is doing in Ukraine. You all seem to sympathise with the Russians like they are your best mates. Some proper ignorant fools on this thread. if anyone violated Russian airspace and were told to leave 10x what do you think would happen? No surprise there..

Putin is a dangerous man and volatile.

It's minor and will boil over. The Turks don't want to be messed around too and will not be afraid to show it, as they have done. Russian or not.

[Pesty]

s3fella said:

Way!

Out

And it's whey

[bigkeeko]

pops666tt said:

Putin is a dangerous man and volatile.

It's minor and will boil over. The Turks don't want to be messed around too and will not be afraid to show it, as they have done. Russian or not.

No one is disputing Putin`s temperament but Turkey wouldn`t have said boo to Russia had they not been part of NATO and had split loyalties on what's happening in their area.

And for that reason I don`t trust them.

[s3fella]

Pesty said:

Out

And it's whey

Really?