Turkey Shoots Down Jet Near Syria Border
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Rogue86 said:
Liveleak showing a voice-recording of the alleged QRA intercept by Turkish F16s, apparently confirmed by the US as being genuine. If its to be believed, two Russian aircraft were intercepted and warned ten times at thirty second intervals with one jet turning away and leaving with the other being shot down.
Perhaps a brave message from Turkey that has backfired massively with aircrew being executed.
Can Turk F16s transmit on Russian military frequencies?Perhaps a brave message from Turkey that has backfired massively with aircrew being executed.
Adam Ansel said:
a load of complete horse s
te
The only solution for Syria is partition. But politicians outside Syria will not allow that.
the only bit that AA has right is the last line - but to be fair in terms of getting something right he has that nailedteThe only solution for Syria is partition. But politicians outside Syria will not allow that.
Let's just hope the Greeks don't start shooting down Turkish planes violating their airspace (like they constantly do)...
Ayahuasca said:
Rogue86 said:
Liveleak showing a voice-recording of the alleged QRA intercept by Turkish F16s, apparently confirmed by the US as being genuine. If its to be believed, two Russian aircraft were intercepted and warned ten times at thirty second intervals with one jet turning away and leaving with the other being shot down.
Perhaps a brave message from Turkey that has backfired massively with aircrew being executed.
Can Turk F16s transmit on Russian military frequencies?Perhaps a brave message from Turkey that has backfired massively with aircrew being executed.
every airplane a has a radio locked into that frequency.
irocfan said:
Let's just hope the Greeks don't start shooting down Turkish planes violating their airspace (like they constantly do)...
I assume you are of Greek origin as you keep mentioning this and seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about it?Personally I'd prefer it if there were no airspace boundaries at all as we all live on the same small planet in a very large universe which is indifferent to all our petty concerns. Thousands of years of human "progress" and psychologically, we seem no further forward from the little tribe mentality, fighting over resources\land than we started off with.
cirian75 said:
I think the rest of the world like me would assume, if you shoot down a military plane that has violated your airspace when you shoot it down, it still has to be in your airspace when the missile hits it!
That rather depends on what you suspect it may be doing whilst it crosses your airspace. If dropping bombs you would be perfectly entitled to pull the trigger and let the missile do its work where it will. The Russians aren't performing surveillance flights round there - they are carrying out attacks very close to the Turkish border with a consequent risk of collateral damage/mis-targetting. It's a bit different from the Russians approaching our airspace to test our reactions - they are carrying bombs and using them.stripy7 said:
'Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu .. was quoted as saying .. "Nobody can legitimise attacks targeting our Turkmen, Arab and Kurdish siblings there via claiming to have been fighting against terror." 'Is he referring the same Kurds that are apparently a bigger threat to Turkey than ISIS? Me confused..
cirian75 said:
stripy7 said:
*Cough* General Belgrano *Cough*
the Argentinian politicians still rave on about that, the Argentinian navy while not happy admit it was fair game.Also the 2 countries involved were at war, I an not convinced that Turkey and Russia are quite there yet.
IIRC reports claimed that the jet was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds.
Apt link: https://www.rt.com/news/323369-turkey-downed-russi...
Apt link: https://www.rt.com/news/323369-turkey-downed-russi...
cirian75 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_emergency_f...
every airplane a has a radio locked into that frequency.
Actually some aircraft may be monitoring 121.5 depending on where they are but there is no mandatory requirement to have a radio locked on to it.every airplane a has a radio locked into that frequency.
turbobloke said:
IIRC reports claimed that the jet was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds.
Apt link: https://www.rt.com/news/323369-turkey-downed-russi...
Completely unbiased source, there!Apt link: https://www.rt.com/news/323369-turkey-downed-russi...
dxg said:
turbobloke said:
IIRC reports claimed that the jet was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds.
Apt link: https://www.rt.com/news/323369-turkey-downed-russi...
Completely unbiased source, there!Apt link: https://www.rt.com/news/323369-turkey-downed-russi...
Breaking news:
Surviving pilot of Russian plane shot down on Syria border says there was no warning and the plane was inside Syria
Another unbiased source?!
Hate to state the obvious but he would say that. He's just had a very expensive plane shot out from under him causing much embarrassment and grief for the mother land, he's hardly likely to hold his hand up and say "fair dues, I was having so much fun flying about and straffing the Turkmen and stuff that I forgot about a little thing called borders".
Still I imagine his statement won't help to "de-escalate" the situation.
Still I imagine his statement won't help to "de-escalate" the situation.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Barrel bombs ? Do you actually know what a barrel bomb is ? Using the term without realising it is a metal container filled with explosives, you know just like any other unguided aerial dropped explosive munition. Oh nooooooo barrel bombs, sounds so much worse. Do you not wonder, if Assad was so evil and bad, how he has managed to survive, fighting a war on multiple fronts for so long? someone think he is not too bad, willing to die for the actual internationally recognised Syrian government.
Asaad did not cause the refugee problem, the huge support for terrorists and Islamist by Turkey / USA/ Saudi and Quatar created a quagmire of death for the civilians. Do you think we would be here, if outside nations had not poured HUGE amounts of cash for mercenaries, buying the cut price oil, and pumping weapons and training into Syria? The CIA / Saudi / Turkey have been training "moderate" (moderate Islamist is like being moderately pregnant) Islamist fighters, supplying them with weapons (MANPADS, TOW missiles) and money. Al Qaeda now have US made TOW missiles for goodness sake.
Let's have a look at the recent dictator removals and how successful they have been.
Libya - Stable, quite prosperous country turned into a failed state with a bloody civil war, destabilising the entire region. Perhaps Gaddafi knew what was brewing in Benghazi, understood the danger it posed. Cameron and Sarkozy clearly did not. Remember the terrorist who shot the British tourists in Tunisia was trained in..... The terrorists who killed the oil plant workers in Mali were trained in...... Yes, Libya.
Iraq - Taken from a moderately stable but damaged state (Due to UN sanctions, you know cash for oil, but lets children die sanctions) into a hugely failed state, providing a breeding ground for psychotic terrorists which have destabilised the entire region, including Syria!
Assad presided over a stable secular country, it is now a religiously divided, wreck. Want to really sort out Syria? let Assad and Russia clean out the hornets nest that has been created, then consider the luxury of democracy.
Do you notice a trend at all ?
+1 completely agree with all your points (particularly the predicament of Iraq, Libya and now Syria post Western military intervention). I read somewhere that before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, there were no suicide bombings there. now its a regular occurrence.Asaad did not cause the refugee problem, the huge support for terrorists and Islamist by Turkey / USA/ Saudi and Quatar created a quagmire of death for the civilians. Do you think we would be here, if outside nations had not poured HUGE amounts of cash for mercenaries, buying the cut price oil, and pumping weapons and training into Syria? The CIA / Saudi / Turkey have been training "moderate" (moderate Islamist is like being moderately pregnant) Islamist fighters, supplying them with weapons (MANPADS, TOW missiles) and money. Al Qaeda now have US made TOW missiles for goodness sake.
Let's have a look at the recent dictator removals and how successful they have been.
Libya - Stable, quite prosperous country turned into a failed state with a bloody civil war, destabilising the entire region. Perhaps Gaddafi knew what was brewing in Benghazi, understood the danger it posed. Cameron and Sarkozy clearly did not. Remember the terrorist who shot the British tourists in Tunisia was trained in..... The terrorists who killed the oil plant workers in Mali were trained in...... Yes, Libya.
Iraq - Taken from a moderately stable but damaged state (Due to UN sanctions, you know cash for oil, but lets children die sanctions) into a hugely failed state, providing a breeding ground for psychotic terrorists which have destabilised the entire region, including Syria!
Assad presided over a stable secular country, it is now a religiously divided, wreck. Want to really sort out Syria? let Assad and Russia clean out the hornets nest that has been created, then consider the luxury of democracy.
Do you notice a trend at all ?
Find it hugely frustrating and irritating when people forget that ISIS is what it is today only because of massive financial and military support from G20 nations, and also Saudi etc.
I like many others, think outside intervention rarely works, its also mildly alarming Cameron can't wait to bomb ISIS, 2 years after having a motion to bomb Assad was rejected. You would think he would have learned his lesson by now.
All bombing them and other nutters will achieve, is greater reason for them to brainwash others into joining their cause, and more attacks all over the world. its counter productive in the extreme.
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