Autumn Statement 2015
Discussion
So got in from work today and was speaking to the other half.
She'd taken our little one to the rhyme and time at the local library - a great thing for the poorer mums in the area, and which is now threatened with closure - and she was told that the local park, which had a set of water fountains in a play area which are fantastic in the summer for the kids to play in, especially those from poor backgrounds - is also going to be closed.
What a lovely place Britain is.
She'd taken our little one to the rhyme and time at the local library - a great thing for the poorer mums in the area, and which is now threatened with closure - and she was told that the local park, which had a set of water fountains in a play area which are fantastic in the summer for the kids to play in, especially those from poor backgrounds - is also going to be closed.
What a lovely place Britain is.
vonuber said:
So got in from work today and was speaking to the other half.
She'd taken our little one to the rhyme and time at the local library - a great thing for the poorer mums in the area, and which is now threatened with closure - and she was told that the local park, which had a set of water fountains in a play area which are fantastic in the summer for the kids to play in, especially those from poor backgrounds - is also going to be closed.
What a lovely place Britain is.
Lobby your local council for a council tax rise to pay for it. She'd taken our little one to the rhyme and time at the local library - a great thing for the poorer mums in the area, and which is now threatened with closure - and she was told that the local park, which had a set of water fountains in a play area which are fantastic in the summer for the kids to play in, especially those from poor backgrounds - is also going to be closed.
What a lovely place Britain is.
This is a very local issue which the locality can pay for - similar thing happened in a small area in Manchester BIL lobbied council and local businesses end result the money came be it via sponsorship from businesses individuals or local council tax rise.
Meh expecting to get things for free
vonuber said:
So got in from work today and was speaking to the other half.
She'd taken our little one to the rhyme and time at the local library - a great thing for the poorer mums in the area, and which is now threatened with closure - and she was told that the local park, which had a set of water fountains in a play area which are fantastic in the summer for the kids to play in, especially those from poor backgrounds - is also going to be closed.
What a lovely place Britain is.
Government spending as a percentage of GDP is still considerably higher than it was in the early 2000s.She'd taken our little one to the rhyme and time at the local library - a great thing for the poorer mums in the area, and which is now threatened with closure - and she was told that the local park, which had a set of water fountains in a play area which are fantastic in the summer for the kids to play in, especially those from poor backgrounds - is also going to be closed.
What a lovely place Britain is.
Rather than trot out the tired rhetoric of Tory cuts you might want to think what we are spending money on aside from the above. A low wage economy resulting in a big rise in in-work benefits, an ageing population resulting in higher spending on health and pensions (including pensions for government employees).
You might also want to think about how we can boost GDP and tax revenues on which all else depends.
Just because you view a particularly area of government spending as desirable does not make it affordable.
JagLover said:
vonuber said:
So got in from work today and was speaking to the other half.
She'd taken our little one to the rhyme and time at the local library - a great thing for the poorer mums in the area, and which is now threatened with closure - and she was told that the local park, which had a set of water fountains in a play area which are fantastic in the summer for the kids to play in, especially those from poor backgrounds - is also going to be closed.
What a lovely place Britain is.
Government spending as a percentage of GDP is still considerably higher than it was in the early 2000s.She'd taken our little one to the rhyme and time at the local library - a great thing for the poorer mums in the area, and which is now threatened with closure - and she was told that the local park, which had a set of water fountains in a play area which are fantastic in the summer for the kids to play in, especially those from poor backgrounds - is also going to be closed.
What a lovely place Britain is.
Rather than trot out the tired rhetoric of Tory cuts you might want to think what we are spending money on aside from the above. A low wage economy resulting in a big rise in in-work benefits, an ageing population resulting in higher spending on health and pensions (including pensions for government employees).
You might also want to think about how we can boost GDP and tax revenues on which all else depends.
Just because you view a particularly area of government spending as desirable does not make it affordable.
That vonuber line "great thing for the poorer mums" almost had me blubbing into the weetybangs.
JagLover said:
You might also want to think about how we can boost GDP and tax revenues on which all else depends.
The left typically don't think about increasing GDP, they just want to take more money from those of us who have it on the basis that we can afford it. The Shadow Chancellor even wants to overthrow capitalism, what's that kind of anti-business rhetoric likely to do to GDP?RYH64E said:
JagLover said:
You might also want to think about how we can boost GDP and tax revenues on which all else depends.
The left typically don't think about increasing GDP, they just want to take more money from those of us who have it on the basis that we can afford it. The Shadow Chancellor even wants to overthrow capitalism, what's that kind of anti-business rhetoric likely to do to GDP?turbobloke said:
Doesn't make it desirable either, depending on what it is. Multiple states of dependency arising from 'The Nanny State Will Provide' is unafforable and by no means desirable.
That vonuber line "great thing for the poorer mums" almost had me blubbing into the weetybangs.
Having a complete disregard for the wellbeing of people less fortunate is exceptionally unpleasant.That vonuber line "great thing for the poorer mums" almost had me blubbing into the weetybangs.
Having a place for mothers to take their kids to meet other mums is really important to avoid things like post natal depression and is a good thing for society as a whole. It's not just poor people who use them either, they are a valuable resource.
I have no idea why I'm even bothering to respond to you to be honest, you are almost willful in your blinkered approach to life to the extent that it is almost like you are deliberately trolling people. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
vonuber said:
turbobloke said:
Doesn't make it desirable either, depending on what it is. Multiple states of dependency arising from 'The Nanny State Will Provide' is unafforable and by no means desirable.
That vonuber line "great thing for the poorer mums" almost had me blubbing into the weetybangs.
Having a complete disregard for the wellbeing of people less fortunate is exceptionally unpleasant.That vonuber line "great thing for the poorer mums" almost had me blubbing into the weetybangs.
vonuber said:
Having a place for mothers to take their kids to meet other mums is really important to avoid things like post natal depression and is a good thing for society as a whole. It's not just poor people who use them either, they are a valuable resource.
So is free money.Central to the point I was making is that "poorer mums" tend to be very resourceful and self-reliant. Having been born to one, this became obvious at an early age. What "poorer mums" in our circle of friends and family needed less than toothache was condescending champagne socialists explaining on their behalf how much they depend on others, including the State. Politicians are the last people anyone should be dependent upon, and leftist politicians last of all.
vonuber said:
I have no idea why I'm even bothering to respond to you to be honest, you are almost willful in your blinkered approach to life to the extent that it is almost like you are deliberately trolling people. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
You're not so much responding as repeating past mistakes e.g. putting words into other PHers' mouths, assuming you know more about them than can be derived from a post or three, belittling poorer mums with no mandate to do so, wanting to preserve their dependency on incompetent politicians and then accusing people of trolling.If you don't want people to tear your leftist tosh apart don't post it.
FiF said:
Sorry TB but the tone of your earlier post was fairly unprepossessing and vonuber was right to pull you up on it. No doubt that will get some sarcastic must have last word response, water off a duck's back in both directions in all probability.
Everyone's entitled to an opionion but given that the tone of an email or of a post on a forum is notoriously difficult to interpret accurately, all I can say in return is - that's a bit rich. In spite of being the target of misrepresentation, distortion and a baseless accusation, all I did was offer helpful advice. I appreciate that it may not have been welcome, but neither is a move away from the topic to launch obviously vexatious accusations of trolling.
Seasonal best wishes to all: FiF, vonuber and especially relatively poor mothers.
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