Eat veggies

[Hoofy]

Erm.

[anonymous-user]

Vegetarians. Fvck off. That is all.

[br d]

fblm said:

Vegetarians. Fvck off. That is all.

Pathetic, same old posturing every time.

I've never preached, don't care what others eat and would no more judge someone for their diet than I could fly out the window but I'm vegetarian so you want me to fk off. Don't know me, never met me but I can fk off.

Frankly you sound like a child.

[irocfan]

FredClogs said:

Einion Yrth said:

FredClogs said:

Shar2 said:

FredClogs said:

Dogs aren't carnivorous either... Not many mammals are, cats are the only ones that spring to mind, maybe whales but they eat fish, does that count? (they don't have canines either)

I don't normally get involved with these types of topics, but that one line is plainly utter codswallop. Of coursre they're carnivores, it's only stupid humans that add vegetables to their food. Give a dog the choice of a nice rabbit or a carrot, I know which the dog would choose.

That's not what the word means and dogs will and do eat pretty much anything, including their own st.

Carnivorous means "eats meat"

That's not what Carnivorous means, hence the rest of your mental spillage didn't get read.

you normally come out with total bks but at this point you are excelling yourself...

A carnivore meaning 'meat eater' (Latin, caro meaning 'meat' or 'flesh' and vorare meaning 'to devour')

[anonymous-user]

br d said:

fblm said:

Vegetarians. Fvck off. That is all.

Pathetic, same old posturing every time.

I've never preached, don't care what others eat and would no more judge someone for their diet than I could fly out the window but I'm vegetarian so you want me to fk off. Don't know me, never met me but I can fk off.

Frankly you sound like a child.

Well the thread is about vegetarians wanting to tax meat eaters into eating the same god awful dreary crap they do. It doesn't take much of a mental leap to figure out who I think can fvck off but if you want to get your knickers in a twist about some terrible slight by someone you've never met on the internet then maybe your blood sugar is low and you need a snack. In all seriousness I was just being a dick, if I upset you I apologise.

[br d]

fblm said:

br d said:

fblm said:

Vegetarians. Fvck off. That is all.

Pathetic, same old posturing every time.

I've never preached, don't care what others eat and would no more judge someone for their diet than I could fly out the window but I'm vegetarian so you want me to fk off. Don't know me, never met me but I can fk off.

Frankly you sound like a child.

Well the thread is about vegetarians wanting to tax meat eaters into eating the same god awful dreary crap they do. It doesn't take much of a mental leap to figure out who I think can fvck off but if you want to get your knickers in a twist about some terrible slight by someone you've never met on the internet then maybe your blood sugar is low and you need a snack. In all seriousness I was just being a dick, if I upset you I apologise.

Fair enough, I did over react, knee-jerked if you will, I also apologies.

I should steer very clear of these threads because they're a lose/lose. There are certainly militant veggies out there who I also find ridiculous and annoying, as I do militants of all hues. PH threads on this subject always have a their fair share of the "fk Veggies/Come on then, try and take my bacon sarnie away/You're all weaklings/What are you doing on a car site?" type comments and I sometimes let it get under my skin, take it personally.

The failing here is mine and I'm going to stop doing it.

[irocfan]

br d said:

I've never preached, don't care what others eat and would no more judge someone for their diet than I could fly out the window but I'm vegetarian so you want me to fk off. Don't know me, never met me but I can fk off.

Frankly you sound like a child.

to be fair chap if most veggies were like you I suspect there'd be no issues with veggies and/or vegans... sad thing is though that it would appear that either most are not like you or there is a vociferous minority giving you all a bad name (or indeed both)

[br d]

irocfan said:

to be fair chap if most veggies were like you I suspect there'd be no issues with veggies and/or vegans... sad thing is though that it would appear that either most are not like you or there is a vociferous minority giving you all a bad name (or indeed both)

I've been meat free for 32 years, it's an entirely personal decision and and I have zero interest in convincing anyone else that it's for them, I couldn't think of anything more absurd. I've known people for years who don't even know I am because we don't happen to have sat in a restaurant together.
From my experience that "vociferous minority" are either your real nutters who would argue black is white just to be contrary or more likely "freshies", those that have recently found their calling and are stuffed full of zeal.

I have had long, very boring conversations with young people who are just desperate to regale me of all the horrors of the meat industry only to see them a few years later tucking into McDonalds and frothing about some new apocalyptic injustice.

[Digga]

Shar2 said:

FredClogs said:

Dogs aren't carnivorous either... Not many mammals are, cats are the only ones that spring to mind, maybe whales but they eat fish, does that count? (they don't have canines either)

I don't normally get involved with these types of topics, but that one line is plainly utter codswallop. Of coursre they're carnivores, it's only stupid humans that add vegetables to their food. Give a dog the choice of a nice rabbit or a carrot, I know which the dog would choose.

My dog would eat both. He dug up a rabbit burrow int he garden and managed to catch two and then proceeded to eat them whole, but equally he's usually about for kitchen scraps when meals are being prepared and eat anything from carrot tops to apple cores with gusto. (Or should that be gutso?)



And, Fred's got one point right; the dog does eat poo as well.

[RizzoTheRat]

irocfan said:

you normally come out with total bks but at this point you are excelling yourself...

A carnivore meaning 'meat eater' (Latin, caro meaning 'meat' or 'flesh' and vorare meaning 'to devour')

If you want to bring Latin in to it then technically a Giant Panda is a carnivore (member of the Order Carnivora). What you're arguing about though is the difference between an Obligate carnivore (only eats meat) and a Faculative carnivore (mainly eats meat), the important point being they're both carnivores.

[Digga]

RizzoTheRat said:

If you want to bring Latin in to it then technically a Giant Panda is a carnivore (member of the Order Carnivora). What you're arguing about though is the difference between an Obligate carnivore (only eats meat) and a Faculative carnivore (mainly eats meat), the important point being they're both carnivores.

IMHO, and I am a mechanical engineer, not a biologist, surely the very fact humans evolved canine teeth indicates the importance of meat in the diet at some point in our evolutionary history, in not (strictly, technically) today?

[budgie smuggler]

Digga said:

MHO, and I am a mechanical engineer, not a biologist, surely the very fact humans evolved canine teeth indicates the importance of meat in the diet at some point in our evolutionary history, in not (strictly, technically) today?

We also have an appendix.

Anyway, aside from the discussion regarding the origin of the word 'carnivorous', I hope it is uncontentious on here that humans be regarded as omnivorous since we have examples of tribes eating only vegetable matter, and Inuits eating only meat.

Removing a small amount of the meat from our diets is no problem at all.

[Einion Yrth]

budgie smuggler said:

Removing a small amount of the meat from our diets is no problem at all.

Nor is it necessary, and nor do I wish to be forced to by the holier than thou brigade.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Digga said:

surely the very fact humans evolved canine teeth indicates the importance of meat in the diet at some point in our evolutionary history

A number of the tri-glycerides that go into making up components of human cell walls comprise certain fatty acids with particular bond saturations (positions 13, 15 and 17 in the carbon chain if I remember my 2nd year Honours Biochemistry correctly). These bond saturations do not exist within fatty acids derived from plant matter and humans do not posess the necessary enzymes to construct them.

They can only be derived from animal fats. Ergo some animal fat is required in the human diet (whether that be milk/fish/eggs/meat).

[Rovinghawk]

AFAIAC the human body has evolved to eat a little of everything.

Why would anyone purposely choose to omit part of a balanced diet? They are free to do so but I demand my right to eat as I choose rather than as someone with different views decrees.

[Digga]

Einion Yrth said:

budgie smuggler said:

Removing a small amount of the meat from our diets is no problem at all.

Nor is it necessary, and nor do I wish to be forced to by the holier than thou brigade.

^This.

AFAIC it is about choice, rather than genetics or dietary science around which this unpleasant little speck of daft propaganda hinges.

[BrassMan]

fblm said:

Vegetarians. Fvck off. That is all.

Them and their trying to tell us how to live.

[FredClogs]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Digga said:

surely the very fact humans evolved canine teeth indicates the importance of meat in the diet at some point in our evolutionary history

A number of the tri-glycerides that go into making up components of human cell walls comprise certain fatty acids with particular bond saturations (positions 13, 15 and 17 in the carbon chain if I remember my 2nd year Honours Biochemistry correctly). These bond saturations do not exist within fatty acids derived from plant matter and humans do not posess the necessary enzymes to construct them.

They can only be derived from animal fats. Ergo some animal fat is required in the human diet (whether that be milk/fish/eggs/meat).

And yet vegans don't just drop dead... It's a mystery innit all this biology guff...

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

Dogs aren't carnivorous either... Not many mammals are, cats are the only ones that spring to mind, maybe whales but they eat fish, does that count? (they don't have canines either)

Hedgehogs.
Moles.
Shrews.
Most bats.
Wolves, various other canids.
Various other felids besides the domesticated cat.
Weasels, stoats, ferrets, polecats, mink, martens, Otters, wolverines, various other mustelids.
Mongooses, meerkats.
Sealions, seals, walruses.
Polar bears.

Lots of other species which predominantly eat other animals but which also eat significant amounts of vegetable matter.

[Willy Nilly]

Humans are omnivores, we can eat anything, which is why we are so successful, that and we're dead clever.

We can live without meat, but it does form an important part of a balanced diet for those that eat it.

Lots of people don't like eating meat for various reasons, so don't like the thought of killing animals for food (odd that it's ok to kill plants), so have a rather misguided belief that animals on farms are some how mistreated. Farm animals are in the main very well taken care of, much better than most pets and huge swathes of the human population.

I don't agree with vegetarians, I think they are misguided, however I will fight until my very last breath for their right to be a misguided (normally impressionable young woman) vegetarian.

PETA are a much of militant tw@s that should be put before a firing squad.