Net migration to UK - new record high

[dandarez]

http://news.sky.com/story/1594737/net-migration-to...

[don4l]

Thank goodness that Dave took steps to reduce the figures. Imagine what it would be like if Dave had done nothing?

Oh, wait...

[dandarez]

Much of the increase in EU migration was because of a growing number of people arriving from...

Romania and Bulgaria.

Well, I never.
Why didn't anyone forecast a growing increase from these 2 EU countries?

Estimate is 50,000 people from Romania and Bulgaria arrived during the 12 month period, over two and half times as many as in the previous year.

Well, I never.

[v8250]

This gives a far better analysis as opposed to journo's headline guff.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-mig...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration...

Importantly, none of the figures state precisely from which country the immigrants originate...even the so-called EU citizens, many of whom originate from outside the EU. Also of note, is that some 30% of these net immigrants have no job and have declared they will be job hunting from point of entry :. who the hell is providing financial support for these 100,000 people?

Even worse, these are the so-called 'official figures...' How many more have 'slipped in quietly'...?

[Pesty]

Majority from outside the EU so 45% an economic net loss right off the bat.

Awesome.

[castex]

v8250 said:

How many more have 'slipped in quietly'...?

Just the other night my wife was speculating about boatloads arriving in the dead of night.
In Sunderland.

[castex]

drivetrain said:

castex said:

Just the other night my wife was speculating about boatloads arriving in the dead of night.
In Sunderland.

From Newcastle?

Now you're just being silly.

[Esseesse]

Just wait till Turkey joins the EU...

[Mr_B]

Pesty said:

Majority from outside the EU so 45% an economic net loss right off the bat.

Awesome.

And this is the bit that's controlled, supposedly.

[Esseesse]

Mr_B said:

Pesty said:

Majority from outside the EU so 45% an economic net loss right off the bat.

Awesome.

And this is the bit that's controlled, supposedly.

They obviously don't want to control it.

[v8250]

Esseesse said:

Just wait till Turkey joins the EU...

This. Population 76.69 million and neighbouring countries of Syria, Iran, Iraq, Armenia and Georgia...get ready for an even greater influx of extremist financially scrounging people. With current EU law and the Future Enlargement of the European Union policy, we're fked. If these peoples can not make stable and socially conducive homelands within their own native countries they have no chance of doing this here in the UK. They'll simply continue to import their destructive natures and way of life further destroying the UK's cultural heritage and social well being. Now, more than ever, is the time to say no to the EU.

[Hooli]

v8250 said:

Esseesse said:

Just wait till Turkey joins the EU...

This. Population 76.69 million and neighbouring countries of Syria, Iran, Iraq, Armenia and Georgia...get ready for an even greater influx of extremist financially scrounging people. With current EU law and the Future Enlargement of the European Union policy, we're fked. If these peoples can not make stable and socially conducive homelands within their own native countries they have no chance of doing this here in the UK. They'll simply continue to import their destructive natures and way of life further destroying the UK's cultural heritage and social well being. Now, more than ever, is the time to say no to the EU.

Couldn't say it better myself.

[blindswelledrat]

Esseesse said:

Mr_B said:

Pesty said:

Majority from outside the EU so 45% an economic net loss right off the bat.

Awesome.

And this is the bit that's controlled, supposedly.

They obviously don't want to control it.

Tyring to draw conclusions from those figures, I suspect that the majority of the 192000 here to study were in that non-eu category hence it is not as bad as it sounds.
I surmise that from the fact that 300000 cited 'work' as their reason to come so presumably they were EU people?

[v8250]

blindswelledrat said:

Tyring to draw conclusions from those figures, I suspect that the majority of the 192000 here to study were in that non-eu category hence it is not as bad as it sounds. I surmise that from the fact that 300000 cited 'work' as their reason to come so presumably they were EU people?

That's the problem...too much surmising which muddies the true figures. From ONS...

>>Net long-term international migration = +330,000 (up 94,000 from YE March 2014), in the year ending (YE) March 2015.
Immigration = 636,000 (up 84,000), in the year ending (YE) March 2015.
Emigration = 307,000 (down 9,000), in the year ending (YE) March 2015.
The net migration figure was a statistically significant increase from 236,000 in YE March 2014 and is the highest net migration on record.
Net migration of EU citizens showed a statistically significant increase to 183,000 (up 53,000 from YE March 2014). The increase in non-EU net migration to 196,000 (up 39,000) was also statistically significant and is a result of an increase in immigration (not statistically significant) and a decrease in emigration (statistically significant).
The increase in long-term international immigration included a statistically significant increase for EU citizens to 269,000 (up 56,000), the highest recorded level for this group; and an increase for non-EU nationals to 284,000 (up 23,000) (not statistically significant).
53,000 Romanian and Bulgarian (EU2) citizens immigrated to the UK in YE March 2015, a statistically significant increase and almost double the 28,000 in the previous 12 months.
290,000 people immigrated for work in YE March 2015, a statistically significant increase of 65,000 from 225,000 in YE March 2014 continuing the upward trend.
There were statistically significant increases of immigration for work for both EU citizens (from 134,000 to 162,000 in YE March 2015) and non-EU citizens (from 48,000 to 64,000). The increase for British citizens was not statistically significant. Of the 53,000 EU2 citizens immigrating to the UK, 42,000 were coming for work, a statistically significant increase of 20,000.
61% of EU citizens immigrating for work had a definite job to go to, whereas 39% were intending to look for a job rather than taking up an offer of employment.
Latest employment statistics show estimated employment of EU nationals (excluding British) living in the UK was 250,000 higher in April to June 2015 compared with the same quarter last year and non-EU nationals in employment increased by 7,000. Over the same period, British nationals in employment also increased (by 84,000), therefore three-quarters of the growth in employment over the last year was accounted for by foreign nationals. (These growth figures represent the net change in the number of people in employment, not the proportion of new jobs that have been filled by non-UK workers.)
In YE June 2015, work-related visas granted (main applicants) rose by 8,862 (or 8%) to 121,964, including a 5,177 (11%) increase for skilled work (Tier 2) visas.
Long-term immigration for study increased from 176,000 to 188,000 in YE March 2015 (not statistically significant). Over the same period, visa applications to study at a UK university (main applicants) rose to 166,481.
There were 25,771 asylum applications (main applicants) in YE June 2015, an increase of 10% compared with the previous 12 months (23,515). The number of applications remains low relative to the peak number of applications in 2002 (84,132).
The largest number of applications for asylum came from nationals of Eritrea (3,568), followed by Pakistan (2,302) and Syria (2,204). A total of 11,600 people were granted asylum or an alternative form of protection.<<

What the above data doesn't include are key information i.e. that there were 824.000 UK National Insurance numbers issued in the same period...and once an immigrant has one of these we what happens next.

Even worse, read this...the Migrant Fifth Journey Report noting not the 'claimed' numbers but the percentages and forecast percentage increases. Balance the percentage increases to actual figures/our current net immigration and it's a very bad situation indeed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrant...

[Guybrush]

It's a bit late to get out of the EU. However, an old saying springs to mind: "...better late than never..."

[XJ40]

I've got no real issue with these guys coming over here.. The vast majority of them seem to be contributing to the economy in some way, plus I've dated some very nice european ladies too so it's all good.

[Digga]

castex said:

drivetrain said:

castex said:

Just the other night my wife was speculating about boatloads arriving in the dead of night.
In Sunderland.

From Newcastle?

Now you're just being silly.

Everyone knows the boats are coming from Redcar. Still, could be worse, could be druggies from Scarbados.

[alfie2244]

Esseesse said:

Just wait till Turkey joins the EU...

Well we do still need lots of doctors, scientist and engineers.

[steveT350C]

alfie2244 said:

Well we do still need lots of doctors,

Indeed we do...


The ONS is saying that the UK population will grow by about 10m over the next 25 years, an increase of 15%.

Taking the NHS as one part of the UK infrastructure, lets see what we need to do just to keep services at the current level: I only have England data to hand, but arguably the majority of this population increaes will be in England.

Currently there are 155 acute NHS trusts in England. A 15% increase will require an additional 23 trusts. Trusts are often made up of multiple hospitals so I have looked at bed numbers...

Currently 137088 NHS beds available in England. 15% increase requires additional 20,563 beds. QE in Birmingham, completed in June 2010 cost £545m to build and has 1213 beds. So we need another 17 QE's built during next 25 years. We had better get a move on though, planning for the QE started 1998 and building started 2006.

GPs: currently about 8000 GP practices. Increase of 15% requires another 1200 GP practices over next 25 years - 48 per year, near enough 1 per week.

[v8250]

steveT350C said:

The ONS is saying that the UK population will grow by about 10m over the next 25 years, an increase of 15%.

And, therein lies the problem. Let's assume we have extra capacity to provide social financial support, infrastructure, annual growth of economy to employ this additional 10 million...where the hell are they to live? We simply do not have the landmass for such an influx of population. Right now, today, we do not have the correct level of basic social building blocks to house/feed/educate/employ 60 million in a country that's already at 65 million...and today we read the devastating news that net immigration is a staggering 330,000.

Do the general populous and politicians not understand that with a population of 65 million we are operating at socio-economic timebomb levels of 89.40% debt to GDP? Those of you reading this, do you understand what this really means? Cameron and his cronies have publicly stated debt to GDP will fall by 2020, this is utter bks, the same diatribal bks uttered from Blair. If the UK Govt can not control debt with an excess of population today, how in God's name will any UK Govt control UK debt with a population of 75 million? This socio-economic timebomb will explode causing even greater widespread social disharmony.

Anyone who says it's too late to leave the EU and/or that we should not leave the EU needs to take a long and very hard look in their 'future of the UK' mirror...

...and if you can't man up to do this for yourselves, do this for your children and your grandchildren.

Edited by v8250 on Thursday 26th November 17:20