Net migration to UK - new record high

[v8250]

Look here

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/index_en.htm

and though not fond of Wiki data there's a good write up here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_E...

[BlackLabel]

The migrant figures may actually be higher than the government wants us to believe they are.

Ministers accused of hiding true scale of migration and real number may not emerge until eve of referendum

Telegraph said:

The Office for National Statistics has announced an official review of migration figures amid concerns that hundreds and thousands more migrants have come to Britain than figures suggest.

According to official figures 1million EU migrants came to Britain over the past five years, but over that same period 2.25million registered for national insurance numbers.

While we import minimum wage migrants from the EU (and top up their wages with tax credits) we are going to kick out those non-EU migrants who do not earn more that 35k a year. If only the same rules applied to everybody - the 35k limit could then be lowered and we would have a lot more net contributors to the economy than we have now.


From 6 April thousands of employees in Britain face being kicked out because they don’t earn enough – with Americans and Australians among the most affected

[Bodo]

BlackLabel said:

While we import minimum wage migrants from the EU (and top up their wages with tax credits) we are going to kick out those non-EU migrants who do not earn more that 35k a year. If only the same rules applied to everybody - the 35k limit could then be lowered and we would have a lot more net contributors to the economy than we have now.


From 6 April thousands of employees in Britain face being kicked out because they don’t earn enough – with Americans and Australians among the most affected

Where would you deport all these low-earning Britons to?

Anyways, Alyson Frazier will not be needed any more as “I’ve chosen to take a lower salary because I’m trying to improve the lives of unaccompanied child refugees and do good...", and those refugees will be sorted out once the immigrants are selected and the EU has been left.

[BlackLabel]

Cameron's 'tens of thousands' pledge is going well.

Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 - second highest on record

[Guybrush]

BlackLabel said:

Cameron's 'tens of thousands' pledge is going well.

Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 - second highest on record

Pressure on housing, NHS, roads. What would a Remainian have to say I wonder.

[Mr GrimNasty]

It's just crazy, amounts to a total 4 million population increase within 8 years, and that's the low official estimate.

The SE really is suffocating now.

[Esseesse]

Guybrush said:

Pressure on housing, NHS, roads. What would a Remainian have to say I wonder.

And this is the BS estimate. Aren't the new NI numbers a bit more than double? This enormous population growth is masking the st state the UK economy is really in. Something has got to give at some point. If we remain in, when 'it' gives it will be more pronounced.

[del mar]

There was a programme on this week about Hounslow Housing Department, the advert made reference to a Romanian man arriving at heathrow with his wife and 5 kids.

There is then a pressure on the Housing Department to find a place for them, although initially a charity looked after them. The advert suggested that the council were not best pleased with his actions - he had no savings and no job lined up in the UK.

I didn't watch the programme so please correct if this was not the case.

What does the law, whether UK or EU, allow us to do with people like him, can we send him home or are we duty bound to find a place for him ?

There are good and bad aspects to immigration providing we know exactly who is coming to live here and what if any problems they may bring with them.

[Phil1]

del mar said:

There was a programme on this week about Hounslow Housing Department, the advert made reference to a Romanian man arriving at heathrow with his wife and 5 kids.

There is then a pressure on the Housing Department to find a place for them, although initially a charity looked after them. The advert suggested that the council were not best pleased with his actions - he had no savings and no job lined up in the UK.

I didn't watch the programme so please correct if this was not the case.

What does the law, whether UK or EU, allow us to do with people like him, can we send him home or are we duty bound to find a place for him ?

There are good and bad aspects to immigration providing we know exactly who is coming to live here and what if any problems they may bring with them.

He came for 3 months and claimed JSA. He then went home and brought back his wife and 5 kids. Because he had claimed JSA for 3 months he was entitled to assistance. They put him in a 4 bed house in Birmingham. If he hadn't found work within 6 (I think) months, he would lose the property.

How this affordable or sustainable I have no idea! 3 months JSA, no need to actually work, then even if he does find work him and his entire family are being subsidised massively.... forever.

[del mar]

Phil1 said:

He came for 3 months and claimed JSA. He then went home and brought back his wife and 5 kids. Because he had claimed JSA for 3 months he was entitled to assistance. They put him in a 4 bed house in Birmingham. If he hadn't found work within 6 (I think) months, he would lose the property.

How this affordable or sustainable I have no idea! 3 months JSA, no need to actually work, then even if he does find work him and his entire family are being subsidised massively.... forever.

Wow !

So because he had claimed benefits he was then entitled to more, that doesn't make much sense ??

After the 6 month period he may lose the house but I don't think you can evict a family with 5 children, they would be deemed at risk and somebody would need to house them, you cant throw 5 kids onto the street.

[bobbylondonuk]

del mar said:

Phil1 said:

He came for 3 months and claimed JSA. He then went home and brought back his wife and 5 kids. Because he had claimed JSA for 3 months he was entitled to assistance. They put him in a 4 bed house in Birmingham. If he hadn't found work within 6 (I think) months, he would lose the property.

How this affordable or sustainable I have no idea! 3 months JSA, no need to actually work, then even if he does find work him and his entire family are being subsidised massively.... forever.

Wow !

So because he had claimed benefits he was then entitled to more, that doesn't make much sense ??

After the 6 month period he may lose the house but I don't think you can evict a family with 5 children, they would be deemed at risk and somebody would need to house them, you cant throw 5 kids onto the street.

Vote Remain or else you are all bigots

[dandarez]

Announcement today. Second record high.

Mr Camoron's supporters, remember what he said, numbers will be got down to 10s of thousands?
This is the man leading you lot - blindly.

This thread... apart from a few posts, quiet.

Wonder why?


OUT!

[voyds9]

Yes but but 1/2 of those are from outside Europe, so leaving the EU won't change that figure


Bluster, bluff, believe or the world will come to an end.

[Sam All]

voyds9 said:

Yes but but 1/2 of those are from outside Europe, so leaving the EU won't change that figure


Bluster, bluff, believe or the world will come to an end.

Could the UK survive zero immigration , from anywhere, for 5 years?

Would it in fact prove a much needed relief for housing. Schools, GPs, hospitals

[voyds9]

Sam All said:

Could the UK survive zero immigration , from anywhere, for 5 years?

Would it in fact prove a much needed relief for housing. Schools, GPs, hospitals

Could we survive without another influx of Big Issue sellers yes, could we survive without an influx of bankers probably

Most of us could also survive without more foreign doctors and nurses.

However, some of those we would like/appreciate as immigrants.

It doesn't matter to me whether the people we need come from Europe or the rest of the world. But I do feel that people who come to my country should be adding to it.

[Sam All]

voyds9 said:

However, some of those we would like/appreciate as immigrants.

It doesn't matter to me whether the people we need come from Europe or the rest of the world. But I do feel that people who come to my country should be adding to it.

Exactly

[BlackLabel]

[Guybrush]

Esseesse said:

Guybrush said:

Pressure on housing, NHS, roads. What would a Remainian have to say I wonder.

And this is the BS estimate. Aren't the new NI numbers a bit more than double? This enormous population growth is masking the st state the UK economy is really in. Something has got to give at some point. If we remain in, when 'it' gives it will be more pronounced.

Yes, the true numbers are much higher. Sadly, it shows the Shiite state of the rest of Europe (and some others), which is why so many want to come here. It's not doing our country any good at all. I say to remainians, surely the Brexiteers' wish for being able to choose who comes here, like so many other countries do for themselves, is not to much to ask.

[Axionknight]

No big deal, after decades of record investment our roads, schools, housing and essential services are more than up to the task of dealing with massive population growth via mass migration and births year on year.

[JagLover]

voyds9 said:

Could we survive without another influx of Big Issue sellers yes, could we survive without an influx of bankers probably

Most of us could also survive without more foreign doctors and nurses.

However, some of those we would like/appreciate as immigrants.

It doesn't matter to me whether the people we need come from Europe or the rest of the world. But I do feel that people who come to my country should be adding to it.

In immigration it is quality not quantity that determines economic outcomes.

I suspect for example that all studies showing the benefits of EU migration are heavily affected by all the EU migrants who work in the city (particularly the French).

If we had had half the immigration levels seen since 2000, but that half was those who actually contribute, then the economy would be just as large, but prosperity would be higher.