Unsustainable public sector pensions
Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
sidicks said:
You honestly believe that the vast majority of public sector workers aren't simply doing jobs that they have chosen to do, but have chosen to 'sacrifice' themselves for the good of the country?
That makes as much sense as most of the nonsense you're spouted on this thread!
and what is your evidence they haven't. That makes as much sense as most of the nonsense you're spouted on this thread!
I am sure I am not alone in having a heart warming story from people who are dedicating themselves for the good of the country.
johnxjsc1985 said:
no my experiences are real not just something I have read or someone told me that's the difference
I'm not disputing anything you've said - i'm sure it's all true, but it proves nothing about the rest of (or even the majority of) public sector workers, that's my point.I could tell you plenty of anecdotes about the private sector but it wouldn't support any claim about the majority of workers.
Edited by sidicks on Sunday 29th November 00:23
r11co said:
sidicks does not believe tax should pay for public sector pensions because sidicks does not want to acknowledge that it is a part of paying for public services.
As demonstrated by....sidicks said:
Private sector pensions are not benefitting (sic) from massive subsidies from someone else, unlike public sector pensions.
r11co said:
You are a boring prig.
As demonstrated by....sidicks said:
@Ian Geary et al - You're deluded.
Sidicks, you are becoming a parody of yourself. The last gasp was this...sidicks said:
there's nothing in it for me if public sector schemes were to be made fairer and more sustainable. Plenty in it for the poorest in society, who could have taxpayers money spent on services for them, rather than on pensions for public sector employees.
Yeah, this is all about the poorest in society. Talk about a race to the bottom.Like you give a s
t!Edited by r11co on Saturday 28th November 21:52
r11co said:
r11co said:
sidicks does not believe tax should pay for public sector pensions because sidicks does not want to acknowledge that it is a part of paying for public services.
As demonstrated by....sidicks said:
Private sector pensions are not benefitting (sic) from massive subsidies from someone else, unlike public sector pensions.
r11co said:
You are a boring prig.
As demonstrated by....sidicks said:
@Ian Geary et al - You're deluded.
Sidicks, you are becoming a parody of yourself.Edited by sidicks on Sunday 29th November 00:22
r11co said:
Yeah, this is all about the poorest in society. Isn't that who the benefits system is for??!
Like you give a st!
And yet you know next to nothing about me so once again you are making ignorant comments which don't stand up to scrutiny,Like you give a s
t!One of us does lots of charity work, is in an unpaid Trustee and donates 5 figures to charity each year. Clue - I doubt it is you, so I suggest you cease with your ignorant and unsubstantiated comments!
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 28th November 21:57
r11co said:
sidicks said:
Can I assume that Enhlish isn't your first language as you appear to have filed to comprehend the previous sentences.
Got to preserve that before you edit it, just for the irony!As opposed to you simply coming on to the thread to make false claims and personal remarks.
Back to school for you on Monday?
sidicks said:
And yet you know next to nothing about me do once again you are making ignorant comments which don't stand up to scrutiny,
One of us does lots of charity work, is in an unpaid Trustee and donates 5 figures to charity each year. Clue - I doubt it is you, do I suggest you cease with your ignorant and unsubstantiated comments!
oh dear , ' donating 5 figures' to a charity is not hard if you have a moderately useful skill set ... 10 hours a week doing something which would cost 15 gbp/ hr wage + employer costs ... One of us does lots of charity work, is in an unpaid Trustee and donates 5 figures to charity each year. Clue - I doubt it is you, do I suggest you cease with your ignorant and unsubstantiated comments!
never mind the nerfarious characters who use Charity work / trusteeship ( or more insidiously , executive board membersip but not a trustee of a charity) / NEDships and Lodge membership or even DL status to portray themselves as nice guys
mph1977 said:
oh dear , ' donating 5 figures' to a charity is not hard if you have a moderately useful skill set ... 10 hours a week doing something which would cost 15 gbp/ hr wage + employer costs ...
never mind the nerfarious characters who use Charity work / trusteeship ( or more insidiously , executive board membersip but not a trustee of a charity) / NEDships and Lodge membership or even DL status to portray themselves as nice guys
As with most things in this forum, you appear to miss the point.never mind the nerfarious characters who use Charity work / trusteeship ( or more insidiously , executive board membersip but not a trustee of a charity) / NEDships and Lodge membership or even DL status to portray themselves as nice guys
Never mind.
sidicks said:
Oh dear, a typo how scandalous.
The irony was not just the typos.wikipedia - prig
You question my grasp of English?!
Edited by r11co on Saturday 28th November 22:08
I’m one of those people who is a massive drain on the taxpayer. I got away with paying just a few pounds every month for my pension, a suggested 11% but in fact a fair bit more. Another advantage of being in the public sector was that when an independent enquiry awarded us a payrise the government cut a percentage off the rise (5% seems to ring a bell, but memory fades) because of the benefits of the pension. The one that the enquiry took into account when awarding the pay rise.
So just to clarify: I paid over 12% of gross into my pension. We were awarded a pay rise and the benefits of the pension agreement, such as the injury provisions, were taken into consideration with the award. The government then cut that still further.
The benefit to those of us on the ground was that cuts to pay meant cuts to overtime pay as well, but this wasn’t pensionable. At a time when I worked all but three days a month, and averaged a 10+ hr day, this amounted to lots of free money to the government.
Later, the government refused to comply with the agreement, the one forced on the police, citing ‘benefits’, presumably the pension.
We also got a 'grant', part of our pay, which wasn't pensionable, yet was taken into account when awarding pay rises.
Later a home secretary, the most stupid one I worked under in 30 years, then reduced the benefits of the pension as the stroke of a pen. So some of the benefits which had been taken into account in reducing pay were then reduced. This despite an independent enquiry saying that the pension payments were reasonable given the role. That’s without the reductions in benefits and the increase in pay.
I was offered a job in the private sector which would have given me more benefits, including shares and preferable loan rates, plus expenses systems which confused me, and hopefully HMIC, and a car. And an equivalent pension if I'd been promoted one level.
I put all this criticism of my pension down to left wing jealousy. This phenomenon has been discussed on many other threads.
So just to clarify: I paid over 12% of gross into my pension. We were awarded a pay rise and the benefits of the pension agreement, such as the injury provisions, were taken into consideration with the award. The government then cut that still further.
The benefit to those of us on the ground was that cuts to pay meant cuts to overtime pay as well, but this wasn’t pensionable. At a time when I worked all but three days a month, and averaged a 10+ hr day, this amounted to lots of free money to the government.
Later, the government refused to comply with the agreement, the one forced on the police, citing ‘benefits’, presumably the pension.
We also got a 'grant', part of our pay, which wasn't pensionable, yet was taken into account when awarding pay rises.
Later a home secretary, the most stupid one I worked under in 30 years, then reduced the benefits of the pension as the stroke of a pen. So some of the benefits which had been taken into account in reducing pay were then reduced. This despite an independent enquiry saying that the pension payments were reasonable given the role. That’s without the reductions in benefits and the increase in pay.
I was offered a job in the private sector which would have given me more benefits, including shares and preferable loan rates, plus expenses systems which confused me, and hopefully HMIC, and a car. And an equivalent pension if I'd been promoted one level.
I put all this criticism of my pension down to left wing jealousy. This phenomenon has been discussed on many other threads.
Derek Smith said:
I’m one of those people who is a massive drain on the taxpayer. I got away with paying just a few pounds every month for my pension, a suggested 11% but in fact a fair bit more. Another advantage of being in the public sector was that when an independent enquiry awarded us a payrise the government cut a percentage off the rise (5% seems to ring a bell, but memory fades) because of the benefits of the pension. The one that the enquiry took into account when awarding the pay rise.
So just to clarify: I paid over 12% of gross into my pension. We were awarded a pay rise and the benefits of the pension agreement, such as the injury provisions, were taken into consideration with the award. The government then cut that still further.
The benefit to those of us on the ground was that cuts to pay meant cuts to overtime pay as well, but this wasn’t pensionable. At a time when I worked all but three days a month, and averaged a 10+ hr day, this amounted to lots of free money to the government.
Later, the government refused to comply with the agreement, the one forced on the police, citing ‘benefits’, presumably the pension.
We also got a 'grant', part of our pay, which wasn't pensionable, yet was taken into account when awarding pay rises.
Later a home secretary, the most stupid one I worked under in 30 years, then reduced the benefits of the pension as the stroke of a pen. So some of the benefits which had been taken into account in reducing pay were then reduced. This despite an independent enquiry saying that the pension payments were reasonable given the role. That’s without the reductions in benefits and the increase in pay.
I was offered a job in the private sector which would have given me more benefits, including shares and preferable loan rates, plus expenses systems which confused me, and hopefully HMIC, and a car. And an equivalent pension if I'd been promoted one level.
I put all this criticism of my pension down to left wing jealousy. This phenomenon has been discussed on many other threads.
You still don't get it do you?So just to clarify: I paid over 12% of gross into my pension. We were awarded a pay rise and the benefits of the pension agreement, such as the injury provisions, were taken into consideration with the award. The government then cut that still further.
The benefit to those of us on the ground was that cuts to pay meant cuts to overtime pay as well, but this wasn’t pensionable. At a time when I worked all but three days a month, and averaged a 10+ hr day, this amounted to lots of free money to the government.
Later, the government refused to comply with the agreement, the one forced on the police, citing ‘benefits’, presumably the pension.
We also got a 'grant', part of our pay, which wasn't pensionable, yet was taken into account when awarding pay rises.
Later a home secretary, the most stupid one I worked under in 30 years, then reduced the benefits of the pension as the stroke of a pen. So some of the benefits which had been taken into account in reducing pay were then reduced. This despite an independent enquiry saying that the pension payments were reasonable given the role. That’s without the reductions in benefits and the increase in pay.
I was offered a job in the private sector which would have given me more benefits, including shares and preferable loan rates, plus expenses systems which confused me, and hopefully HMIC, and a car. And an equivalent pension if I'd been promoted one level.
I put all this criticism of my pension down to left wing jealousy. This phenomenon has been discussed on many other threads.
No one has claimed that you don't deserve your pension, you've just been corrected on your lack of understanding of how your pension works and the value of that pension compared to the value of contributions.
Let's not forget you were claiming that Police officers only lived 3-5 years in retirement when the official data from your own scheme suggests it is more like 35 years!!
r11co said:
And yet you're the one trying to make yourself feel better by making false claims about what I think and my 'character'.sidicks said:
One of us does lots of charity work, is in an unpaid Trustee and donates 5 figures to charity each year. Clue - I doubt it is you.
Staggering how precisely you live up to the definition.
wikipedia said:
(A) prig approaches social interactions with a strong sense of self-righteousness. They see little need to consider the feelings or intentions of others.
FYI one of the people featured in this article is my wife.I'm not going to willy wave our charitable donations in front of an offensive, odious prat like you. All I will say is that we were very grateful for the support Breast Cancer Care, MacMillan Cancer Care and Cancer Research UK have given us this year.
Now f
k off.Edited by r11co on Saturday 28th November 23:21
r11co said:
I'm not going to willy wave our charitable donations in front of an odious prat like you.
It was only done to demonstrate (once again) how wrong you are.r11co said:
All I will say is that we were very grateful for the support Breast Cander Care, MacMillan Cancer Care and Cancer Research UK have given us this year.
im sure the same would apply to the charities I support.r11co said:
Now fk off.
Once again, nothing to add to the thread topic from you (because you dont understand it?!) but plenty of insults.k off.Edited by sidicks on Saturday 28th November 22:42
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