Where do your earnings rank you?

[eccles]

Breadvan72 said:

Engineers (I mean real ones, not blokes who deliver washing machines) are hugely undervalued in the UK, I reckon. This has been the case for ages. I am amazed by how badly paid the engineers whom I know tend to be, despite being highly qualified and skilled.

[Son of Industrial Engineer]

And don't they like to bh and moan about it!

[vonuber]

Breadvan72 said:

Engineers (I mean real ones, not blokes who deliver washing machines) are hugely undervalued in the UK, I reckon. This has been the case for ages. I am amazed by how badly paid the engineers whom I know tend to be, despite being highly qualified and skilled.

[Son of Industrial Engineer]

Yes, it's an interesting one - largely cultural I think. I read somewhere it might come from the difference in engineering tradition between say here and the rest of Europe - here we had amateur engineers making it up as they went along (broadly speaking - doing things in the garden shed) whereas on the continent it was much more scientifically approached (as it is here now). Not having 'engineer' as a protected title doesn't help matters.
Certainly if I went abroad (like so many people I know) I'd get a massive wage hike.

[Countdown]

XCP said:

Countdown said:

That sounds about right. One of my nieces is a CPS Barrister and IIRC her pay scale is £35k to £42k.

Blimey. I earned considerably more ( Brummie accent optional) 10 years ago as a lowly custody officer.

I didn't think it as that bad to be honest . Outside of PH £35k to £42k isn't a bad salary (IMHO), especially as she's young, free and single. I was on £12k when I was married with 2 kids!!

p.s. On a separate note she's not done too badly for herself. Daughter of 1st generation immigrants and went to a less-tan-average Comprehensive. But she always determined to be a barrister and (I think) all her studies were self funded.

Edited by Countdown on Sunday 29th November 12:28

[nammynake]

Some of the groups are bit odd, for example "Actuaries, economists and statisticians". Their commonality is 'numbers' I presume. I wonder why they didn't create a group "Butchers, vets and taxidermists".

[XCP]

Countdown said:

XCP said:

Countdown said:

That sounds about right. One of my nieces is a CPS Barrister and IIRC her pay scale is £35k to £42k.

Blimey. I earned considerably more ( Brummie accent optional) 10 years ago as a lowly custody officer.

I didn't think it as that bad to be honest . Outside of PH £35k to £42k isn't a bad salary (IMHO), especially as she's young, free and single. I was on £12k when I was married with 2 kids!!

p.s. On a separate note she's not done too badly for herself. Daughter of 1st generation immigrants and went to a less-tan-average Comprehensive. But she always determined to be a barrister and (I think) all her studies were self funded.

Edited by Countdown on Sunday 29th November 12:28

Good for her. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. I was a top rate skipper with 25 years experience and doing all the overtime they threw in my direction. I also got a tax free rent allowance ( long gone before anyone asks) which I included when I considered my earnings. I wish her well.

[Boydie88]

£14,000 under! But then I only have 5 years experience in a role where experience is pretty key and my pay is going up between 5 and 10 percent per year so I should catch up with it soon.

[cirian75]

crap, I'm within £100 of the average for my job :/

[XJ40]

Very interesting figures, not too many surprises I guess. I'm at 38th, electronics engineer, seems about right as an average.

Pleased to see we've "beaten" solicitors and accountants, that's a good effort, nice scalps to have.. these avaiation guys and train drivers are doing well in the scheme of things.

No professional athletes/sports people listed it seems, I'd imagine professional footballers would give CEO's and brokers a run for their money..

[okgo]

But how many leagues pay? Its gunna be a fairly small amount of people you'd think, probably under 5000.

[Zod]

Our trainee solicitors start on £40K, straight out of law school. That's a CIty salary, of course, but it shows that these surveys are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Countdown]

XCP said:

Good for her. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. I was a top rate skipper with 25 years experience and doing all the overtime they threw in my direction. I also got a tax free rent allowance ( long gone before anyone asks) which I included when I considered my earnings. I wish her well.

No disrespect assumed - also I didn't realise skipping paid so well...

[okgo]

Zod said:

Our trainee solicitors start on £40K, straight out of law school. That's a CIty salary, of course, but it shows that these surveys are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

And you'd have to think many banks, consultancy places etc would be the same as that.

[RYH64E]

okgo said:

Zod said:

Our trainee solicitors start on £40K, straight out of law school. That's a CIty salary, of course, but it shows that these surveys are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

And you'd have to think many banks, consultancy places etc would be the same as that.

A relatively small number of high paying City jobs are unlikely to have a significant effect upon the averages, and these figures are for PAYE only, anybody earning large amounts of money as a self employed contractor will be excluded, and those paying themselves a small salary/large dividend will reduce the numbers.

[XJ40]

okgo said:

But how many leagues pay? Its gunna be a fairly small amount of people you'd think, probably under 5000.

Well that's why I said professional players, that'll be only the 4 professional leagues and a very small number of others. Yes a small number of people in total, so the average salary will be high I should think..

[okgo]

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2010/mar/20/profe...

Old numbers but illustrates the drop from prem to championship.

[anonymous-user]

Zod said:

Our trainee solicitors start on £40K, straight out of law school. That's a City salary, of course, but it shows that these surveys are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

We pay our pupils 60K, although they can opt to take part of that as an advance during their year at Bar School before starting pupillage. If they get taken on after pupillage they start self employment then. Alas, in my day (mid 80s), there was no pay for pupils, but I got a couple of scholarships worth about 5K in total and did some teaching and barman work on the side. I was very tired! I gather that 75K plus is now the norm for City Solicitors in their first year post training contract. One of the US firms in London has just put its first year post training salary to 100K.

[Zod]

Breadvan72 said:

Zod said:

Our trainee solicitors start on £40K, straight out of law school. That's a City salary, of course, but it shows that these surveys are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

We pay our pupils 60K, although they can opt to take part of that as an advance during their year at Bar School before starting pupillage. If they get taken on after pupillage they start self employment then. Alas, in my day (mid 80s), there was no pay for pupils, but I got a couple of scholarships worth about 5K in total and did some teaching and barman work on the side. I was very tired! I gather that 75K plus is now the norm for City Solicitors in their first year post training contract. One of the US firms in London has just put its first year post training salary to 100K.

Correct on salaries now.

One of the reasons I didn't consider the Bar for very long was that I would not have been able to fund myself through pupillage.

[anonymous-user]

Funding was a right bugger (especially as I did not read law at university and had to do an extra year taking the crash bang wallop instant lawyer course*). Nowadays, it's still a challenge, as despite pupillage awards from the big chambers, the costs of training are very high, and the smaller chambers pay minimal amounts to pupils. The Bar used to be white, male, and posh. Then for a while it became less white, male and female, and less posh. Now because of the need for Bank of Mum and Dad it is becoming male and female and posh, and posh usually means white also.


* Just add alcohol and shake vigorously. The course was a crappy, badly taught cram that could have been done in six weeks. Ditto the Bar course - a load of rubbish taught by people who were not good enough to be either practising barristers or proper legal academics. The real learning happened in pupillage. So I crammed and effectively did each course in its last six weeks and worked in bars and such or did pro bono cases the rest of the time.

[LeoSayer]

I'd like to see the list split by London and rest of UK.

[Zod]

Breadvan72 said:

Funding was a right bugger (especially as I did not read law at university and had to do an extra year taking the crash bang wallop instant lawyer course*). Nowadays, it's still a challenge, as despite pupillage awards from the big chambers, the costs of training are very high, and the smaller chambers pay minimal amounts to pupils. The Bar used to be white, male, and posh. Then for a while it became less white, male and female, and less posh. Now because of the need for Bank of Mum and Dad it is becoming male and female and posh, and posh usually means white also.


* Just add alcohol and shake vigorously. The course was a crappy, badly taught cram that could have been done in six weeks. Ditto the Bar course - a load of rubbish taught by people who were not good enough to be either practising barristers or proper legal academics. The real learning happened in pupillage. So I crammed and effectively did each course in its last six weeks and worked in bars and such or did pro bono cases the rest of the time.

It won't surprise you to learn that the Law Society Finals course that I took in York was no better, with the same demographic of people "teaching". I had a great year in York though, funded by my firm.