Where do your earnings rank you?

[okgo]

Marketing and sales for me, I know some on way way more than that and lots on less and many on about that so looks about right to me but its pretty general and you can be a sales director without actually being what most people would class as a sales director in some industries - i.e not managing anyone...

Edited by okgo on Saturday 28th November 15:47

[legzr1]

PositronicRay said:

And yet large goods vehicle drivers are £26k

They could better themselves,improve their lot and double their wages.

[GetCarter]

Silly figures. I know lots that earn twice that suggested.

[XCP]

Countdown said:

That sounds about right. One of my nieces is a CPS Barrister and IIRC her pay scale is £35k to £42k.

Blimey. I earned considerably more ( Brummie accent optional) 10 years ago as a lowly custody officer.

[vonuber]

Derek Chevalier said:

Agreed that the starting salaries aren't bad, it's just that in my experience (and this is going back a few years) the guys that had been there for 20 years weren't earnings a great deal more, whereas if they had been in one of the areas mentioned above they would be earning ~2-3x as much by the time they got to 40. I'm pleased to hear the pay is catching up.

Well I've been working for 13 years now and am well north of 50k; so it is getting better.
Good engineers are hard to find; we tend to go overseas.

[Willy Nilly]

legzr1 said:

PositronicRay said:

And yet large goods vehicle drivers are £26k

They could better themselves,improve their lot and double their wages.

Driving LGV's is a lot of responsibility, shame it's not reflected in the pay.

[turbobloke]

legzr1 said:

PositronicRay said:

And yet large goods vehicle drivers are £26k

They could better themselves,improve their lot and double their wages.

In round numbers, compared to NMW they already have.

[unrepentant]

Your minimum wage is 6.70 per hour? So 268 pounds for a 40 hr week? Or 13,936 pounds a year?

So how are the averages in occupations 321 to 352 below that figure? Those jobs are all part time?

The figures seem stupidly low for most of the jobs quoted.

[ATG]

As TB had pointed out, this is ONS data. Yes, you need to read the notes to understand what is being measured and how the data is being treated, and occasionally they have made howlers to which they have fessed up. But ONS is a byword for impartiality and quality (and in many cases unutterable tedium). So if any of these numbers seem odd, don't dismiss them too lightly as they might help dispel a misconception or weaken a prejudice.

[anonymous-user]

Greg66 said:

turbobloke said:

Therefore it doesn't look made-up at all and unless somebody can find the aforementioned transcription or typo errors then complaints and expressions of disbelief need to be addressed to ONS c/o Chris Daffin.

I really CBA'd to check the source, but this obvious howler

Greg66 said:

Barristers & Judges (odd mix, as barristers are self employed and Judges are civil servants) 36k; solicitors 43k, but legal professionals - which should mean barristers and solicitors 76k. Something not right there.

makes me wonder whether "barristers and judges" means "those barristers paid by the Govt together with Judges" - ie barristers employed by the CPS. Ditto "solicitors", leaving "legal professionals" to be lawyers of both flavours in private practice.

As someone else pointed out, how on earth the compiler of this data has compared an overall employment package (bonuses, share options, pensions, whatever) with (say) a self employer plumber's turnover gross of overheads is a mystery.

76K as an average for lawyers in private practice sounds plausible. Megabucks for the (relatively few) at the top end, feck all for the (quite a few) at the bottom end, lots doing fairly modest numbers in the middle. Most lawyers employed in the public sector aren't all that well paid, and the Judge figure is, as noted already, nudged downwards by the many part timers on cheapo deals.

[anonymous-user]

XCP said:

Countdown said:

That sounds about right. One of my nieces is a CPS Barrister and IIRC her pay scale is £35k to £42k.

Blimey. I earned considerably more ( Brummie accent optional) 10 years ago as a lowly custody officer.

Re a conversation we had on another thread the other day, XCP, now you can see why the CPS are not always as good as we would all like them to be. I hate to go on about peanuts and monkeys, but you know what I mean. I intend no offence to Countdown whose niece works for the CPS. Many prosecutors and many defenders work very hard for crap money because they are vocationally interested in effective criminal justice (and that requires good prosecutors and good defenders), but there are also those who do the jobs because they can't get better ones, and those who started with high ideals but have been ground down by the under resourcing of the system and now just go through the motions in a demoralised fashion.

Whatevs: the DM public and much of PH will always insist that all lawyers are gazillionaires who care not a fig for justice, just as they will insist that all police officers are lazy doughnut botherers who care only for oppressing motorists and letting proper crims walk free.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 28th November 20:10

[cymtriks]

voyds9 said:

So mums going back to work part time will raise the average.

Is the average based on hourly rate and adjusted to reflect an equivalent full time salary?
Are people working less than X hours included anyway?
How much difference will women returning to work part time make given that some jobs are (very) male dominated?

[SpeedMattersNot]

unrepentant said:

Your minimum wage is 6.70 per hour? So 268 pounds for a 40 hr week? Or 13,936 pounds a year?

So how are the averages in occupations 321 to 352 below that figure? Those jobs are all part time?

The figures seem stupidly low for most of the jobs quoted.

As a teaching assistant we only get paid for the days we're there. So it is effectively it is a part-time job.

[handpaper]

Willy Nilly said:

legzr1 said:

PositronicRay said:

And yet large goods vehicle drivers are £26k

They could better themselves,improve their lot and double their wages.

Driving LGV's is a lot of responsibility, shame it's not reflected in the pay.

Oddly enough, £26k is almost exactly the figure on my p60 for last year - for an average 60 hour week. It's not quite that bad though, like many LGV drivers I'm a tramper and my tax-free allowances (for meals and nights out) equate to another ~£8k worth of salary.
Slightly more worrying, given that I'm looking to move into Engineering is this conversation :

Derek Chevalier said:

vonuber said:

Derek Chevalier said:

Not sure why you don't believe it - Engineering pay in the country is, on average, rubbish considering the calibre of people that work in it. Every single one of my Engineering coursemates left to go into IT, banking, sales or accountancy.

Define 'rubbish'. Our grads start at 27-28 which is not bad.
But yes i agree salaries have lagged behind other industries, but they are definitely ramping up year on year (finally ).

Agreed that the starting salaries aren't bad, it's just that in my experience (and this is going back a few years) the guys that had been there for 20 years weren't earnings a great deal more, whereas if they had been in one of the areas mentioned above they would be earning ~2-3x as much by the time they got to 40. I'm pleased to hear the pay is catching up.

Spending 4 years (3 down, 1 to go) and several grand on course fees for a BEng is looking like it will enable a large and continuing wage cut

[vonuber]

handpaper said:

Spending 4 years (3 down, 1 to go) and several grand on course fees for a BEng is looking like it will enable a large and continuing wage cut

What field are you doing it in? How many years experience do you have? Where will you be based? Will you do contracting or consultancy?
I can give you a rough idea of what to expect right now.

[anonymous-user]

Engineers (I mean real ones, not blokes who deliver washing machines) are hugely undervalued in the UK, I reckon. This has been the case for ages. I am amazed by how badly paid the engineers whom I know tend to be, despite being highly qualified and skilled.

[Son of Industrial Engineer]

[Ilovejapcrap]

lookedat a couple that me and friends do and seem to be 5 k more ish,

Is that to do with south and north differences ?

[anonymous-user]

I can never be sure, but I think that there might be a cunning clue hidden away in the word "average".

[Du1point8]

Im at 31.... IT business analysts, architects and systems designers.

Seems about right.

[RYH64E]

Breadvan72 said:

Engineers (I mean real ones, not blokes who deliver washing machines) are hugely undervalued in the UK, I reckon. This has been the case for ages. I am amazed by how badly paid the engineers whom I know tend to be, despite being highly qualified and skilled.

[Son of Industrial Engineer]

For anyone with an entrepeneurial spirit, engineering is a good starting point, imo. Some of the highest earning people I know have Engineering degrees, though the only one who has a proper job (as an employee) is in oil and gas.

If asked, I usually describe myself as an engineer (BEng CEng MIMechE(expired)), and I wouldn't be able to do what I do without a background in engineering and fluid dynamics, but for me it's been a tool rather than a career.

Edited by RYH64E on Sunday 29th November 10:44