Amputee loses Motability car
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The people I know with Motability cars aren't even disabled, one has a disabled wife (the car is no use to her as he uses it for work every day), and a couple of people have what would have been described as naughty children back in the day. A three year old child with autism, free car for mum (in a household that already has three cars for two drivers).
RYH64E said:
The people I know with Motability cars aren't even disabled, one has a disabled wife (the car is no use to her as he uses it for work every day), and a couple of people have what would have been described as naughty children back in the day. A three year old child with autism, free car for mum (in a household that already has three cars for two drivers).
The car doesn't have to be drive by the claimant, it has to be used for their 'benefit'A husband going to work in it is perfectly acceptable, I expect when she needs to go to the shops he takes her etc.
The same goes with kids, Autism is hardly just naughty kids. Also it's not a 'free car' they opt not to receive the DLA Higher rate component, if they want that instead they can not have a car.
Butter Face said:
The car doesn't have to be drive by the claimant, it has to be used for their 'benefit'
A husband going to work in it is perfectly acceptable, I expect when she needs to go to the shops he takes her etc.
The same goes with kids, Autism is hardly just naughty kids. Also it's not a 'free car' they opt not to receive the DLA Higher rate component, if they want that instead they can not have a car.
The child is only three, not sure why autism qualifies his mum for a free car when she already has one (new), her boyfriend already has one (also new), and her boyfriend's previous car (3 years old) is parked up on their drive waiting for her 16 year old daughter to be old enough to drive.A husband going to work in it is perfectly acceptable, I expect when she needs to go to the shops he takes her etc.
The same goes with kids, Autism is hardly just naughty kids. Also it's not a 'free car' they opt not to receive the DLA Higher rate component, if they want that instead they can not have a car.
RYH64E said:
Butter Face said:
The car doesn't have to be drive by the claimant, it has to be used for their 'benefit'
A husband going to work in it is perfectly acceptable, I expect when she needs to go to the shops he takes her etc.
The same goes with kids, Autism is hardly just naughty kids. Also it's not a 'free car' they opt not to receive the DLA Higher rate component, if they want that instead they can not have a car.
The child is only three, not sure why autism qualifies his mum for a free car when she already has one (new), her boyfriend already has one (also new), and her boyfriend's previous car (3 years old) is parked up on their drive waiting for her 16 year old daughter to be old enough to drive.A husband going to work in it is perfectly acceptable, I expect when she needs to go to the shops he takes her etc.
The same goes with kids, Autism is hardly just naughty kids. Also it's not a 'free car' they opt not to receive the DLA Higher rate component, if they want that instead they can not have a car.
The government has decided the child qualifies for DLA, that's the way it is, the family have decided that instead of receiving the money directly (and you know they could spend it on anything, drugs, alcohol, a mix of both) it gets paid directly to Motability who provide them with a car.
The money indirectly does back to the government in the form of VAT, servicing, tyres, windscreens etc etc.
Most DLA awards are for a limited time and there's no guarantee that the child will continue to receive the money.
Butter Face said:
Because the child is disabled, they aren't just getting a free car.
The government has decided the child qualifies for DLA, that's the way it is, the family have decided that instead of receiving the money directly (and you know they could spend it on anything, drugs, alcohol, a mix of both) it gets paid directly to Motability who provide them with a car.
The money indirectly does back to the government in the form of VAT, servicing, tyres, windscreens etc etc.
Most DLA awards are for a limited time and there's no guarantee that the child will continue to receive the money.
The child is perfectly able to walk, run, talk and do all the things other three year olds do, there are no mobility problems, the only thing he doesn't do is play with other children. As well as a free (they're not paying for it so it's free as far as I'm concerned) car for mum this means the family need a bigger (council) house and he needs a room of his own in the garden, and for some unfathomable reason their family bathroom needs to be converted to a wet room. Even in this time of supposed austerity some budgets appear to be flush with cash.The government has decided the child qualifies for DLA, that's the way it is, the family have decided that instead of receiving the money directly (and you know they could spend it on anything, drugs, alcohol, a mix of both) it gets paid directly to Motability who provide them with a car.
The money indirectly does back to the government in the form of VAT, servicing, tyres, windscreens etc etc.
Most DLA awards are for a limited time and there's no guarantee that the child will continue to receive the money.
IroningMan said:
Butter Face said:
IroningMan said:
Sorry, I must've misheard. You couldn't possibly have said that 10% of new cars registered in the UK are Motability - that would be utterly ridiculous.
Their fleet is some 600,000+ vehicles, most on 3 year leases.2.4m cars sold in the UK in 2014 so say 200,000 Motability cars every year and you're not far off.
And you wonder why Motability fights for its customers 'rights'
Edited by TVR1 on Monday 30th November 10:01
RYH64E said:
Butter Face said:
Because the child is disabled, they aren't just getting a free car.
The government has decided the child qualifies for DLA, that's the way it is, the family have decided that instead of receiving the money directly (and you know they could spend it on anything, drugs, alcohol, a mix of both) it gets paid directly to Motability who provide them with a car.
The money indirectly does back to the government in the form of VAT, servicing, tyres, windscreens etc etc.
Most DLA awards are for a limited time and there's no guarantee that the child will continue to receive the money.
The child is perfectly able to walk, run, talk and do all the things other three year olds do, there are no mobility problems, the only thing he doesn't do is play with other children. As well as a free (they're not paying for it so it's free as far as I'm concerned) car for mum this means the family need a bigger (council) house and he needs a room of his own in the garden, and for some unfathomable reason their family bathroom needs to be converted to a wet room. Even in this time of supposed austerity some budgets appear to be flush with cash.The government has decided the child qualifies for DLA, that's the way it is, the family have decided that instead of receiving the money directly (and you know they could spend it on anything, drugs, alcohol, a mix of both) it gets paid directly to Motability who provide them with a car.
The money indirectly does back to the government in the form of VAT, servicing, tyres, windscreens etc etc.
Most DLA awards are for a limited time and there's no guarantee that the child will continue to receive the money.
Of course they've gone through the correct channels already to get what they've got so in the eyes of the government they're probably doing no wrong.
Here you go, here's the link. https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud
Bet you don't care that much to actually report it.
woowahwoo said:
RYH64E said:
The people I know with Motability cars aren't even disabled, one has a disabled wife (the car is no use to her as he uses it for work every day), and a couple of people have what would have been described as naughty children back in the day. A three year old child with autism, free car for mum (in a household that already has three cars for two drivers).
All aboard the benefit gravy train. It is likely those people will also have all the house-improvement grants, technology grants available. Becomes a form of tribute, more than anything else. However, in most cases, isn't motability gained by sacrificing a large portion of disability benefit? I do wonder how many people take the purchase option at the end of the lease and then offload these cars on to other family members. Either way, many of the cars will be fantastic used buys.
TVR1 said:
woowahwoo said:
RYH64E said:
The people I know with Motability cars aren't even disabled, one has a disabled wife (the car is no use to her as he uses it for work every day), and a couple of people have what would have been described as naughty children back in the day. A three year old child with autism, free car for mum (in a household that already has three cars for two drivers).
All aboard the benefit gravy train. It is likely those people will also have all the house-improvement grants, technology grants available. Becomes a form of tribute, more than anything else. However, in most cases, isn't motability gained by sacrificing a large portion of disability benefit? I do wonder how many people take the purchase option at the end of the lease and then offload these cars on to other family members. Either way, many of the cars will be fantastic used buys.
Butter Face said:
She's probably had a PIP assessment and he government deem her fit enough to be able to work and no longer requires the higher rate payment. The idea of this is to stop paying people who don't need the money/can work and make the system fairer to those who actually need it.
Being able to work or not has no bearing on ones eligibility to be entitled to the higher rate of Mobility allowance..... I agree with some the comments on this thread but as someone who is about to take delivery of a Motability car (XC60) there is some people who take the piss.
For me I got my PIP application rejected as I can walk, run and make my own meals and don't need any help at all. But what people don't see is that many amputees from the military are not on the higher level of DLA but are on 1-6 tariff of the Armed Forces Independence payment with a GIP of more than 75%.
in my case I have all limbs and do sports but as described in this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... I have life changing injuries and i am determined not to let it win.
What bugs me is the people who been described who use and abuse it I count my self lucky I can do it but some see it as a necessity my dealer who im dealing with told me everybody he has dealt with 60% do not have a need of it and was genuinely moved after I told him what I had been through.
For me I got my PIP application rejected as I can walk, run and make my own meals and don't need any help at all. But what people don't see is that many amputees from the military are not on the higher level of DLA but are on 1-6 tariff of the Armed Forces Independence payment with a GIP of more than 75%.
in my case I have all limbs and do sports but as described in this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... I have life changing injuries and i am determined not to let it win.
What bugs me is the people who been described who use and abuse it I count my self lucky I can do it but some see it as a necessity my dealer who im dealing with told me everybody he has dealt with 60% do not have a need of it and was genuinely moved after I told him what I had been through.
Butter Face said:
TVR1 said:
woowahwoo said:
RYH64E said:
The people I know with Motability cars aren't even disabled, one has a disabled wife (the car is no use to her as he uses it for work every day), and a couple of people have what would have been described as naughty children back in the day. A three year old child with autism, free car for mum (in a household that already has three cars for two drivers).
All aboard the benefit gravy train. It is likely those people will also have all the house-improvement grants, technology grants available. Becomes a form of tribute, more than anything else. However, in most cases, isn't motability gained by sacrificing a large portion of disability benefit? I do wonder how many people take the purchase option at the end of the lease and then offload these cars on to other family members. Either way, many of the cars will be fantastic used buys.
Charlie1986 said:
my dealer who im dealing with told me everybody he has dealt with 60% do not have a need of it and was genuinely moved after I told him what I had been through.
And what makes your dealer qualified to know who should be eligible or not, does he know all of their intimate issues and problems?I used to be the Motab "specialist" at a dealership I worked at, the attitude of everyone else in the dealership towards Motab customers was disgusting. Yes some of the customers didn't outwardly appear to be "disabled" but as others have said, you have no idea what happens for the other 23 1/2 hours of their day. A lot of people seem to think that unless someone is in a chair like Mr Hawkins then they aren't "disabled"
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