America, shooting, again??
Discussion
Mario149 said:
Matt, you've misunderstood, that's precisely what I'm *not* saying. I'm saying that despite having some experience, I *don't* think I'm qualified to make my family safer with a firearm in the house. And even if I was, it'd be conceited to think that I was 17x better than average such that I might be at the break even point of shooting an intruder rather than a family member.
And I'd happily have a firearm in the house, but it wouldn't be for home defence and I'd have it in a safe where it couldn't easily be accessed because the reality is my daughter would be more likely to get hold of it and accidentally shoot herself/one of us or vice versa, than me shooting a legitimate life threatening intruder.
No children in my household - that would certainly be a deal-breaker. Additionally, I don't have any pressing fear of a home invasion - but if that unlikely scenario were to become reality, I'd rather have a stronger retort than merely begging for my life to be spared. That wouldn't involve a hand gun.And I'd happily have a firearm in the house, but it wouldn't be for home defence and I'd have it in a safe where it couldn't easily be accessed because the reality is my daughter would be more likely to get hold of it and accidentally shoot herself/one of us or vice versa, than me shooting a legitimate life threatening intruder.
When I'm out of the house, my shotgun goes in the safe and my pistol comes with me.
Matt Harper said:
Mario149 said:
Matt, you've misunderstood, that's precisely what I'm *not* saying. I'm saying that despite having some experience, I *don't* think I'm qualified to make my family safer with a firearm in the house. And even if I was, it'd be conceited to think that I was 17x better than average such that I might be at the break even point of shooting an intruder rather than a family member.
And I'd happily have a firearm in the house, but it wouldn't be for home defence and I'd have it in a safe where it couldn't easily be accessed because the reality is my daughter would be more likely to get hold of it and accidentally shoot herself/one of us or vice versa, than me shooting a legitimate life threatening intruder.
No children in my household - that would certainly be a deal-breaker. Additionally, I don't have any pressing fear of a home invasion - but if that unlikely scenario were to become reality, I'd rather have a stronger retort than merely begging for my life to be spared. That wouldn't involve a hand gun.And I'd happily have a firearm in the house, but it wouldn't be for home defence and I'd have it in a safe where it couldn't easily be accessed because the reality is my daughter would be more likely to get hold of it and accidentally shoot herself/one of us or vice versa, than me shooting a legitimate life threatening intruder.
When I'm out of the house, my shotgun goes in the safe and my pistol comes with me.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
How often are American homes broken into by firearm weilding criminals?
Doesn't quite answer the question but you might find this interestinghttp://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/...
What I found shocking was the number of children killed by guns.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
How often are American homes broken into by firearm weilding criminals?
Not common, but they are extreme in every sense. This form of robbery is different to 'conventional burglary' in that it relies on the victim(s) being present - rather than out at work etc. A main component of this act is to terrorize the victim in order to relieve them of their valuables.They often involve sexual battery, kidnapping and murder. They don't usually sneak in - it's usually a forced entry intended to be as terrifying as possible. They tend not to be after your TV set, they are more interested in your illicit drugs, valuable jewelry, car keys, cash, credit cards - and your firearms, if you have not had the time or availability to deploy them beforehand.
It could be argued that simply handing everything over and hoping they leave is the best strategy - but these types frequently take someone with them in order to provide PINs for bank cards etc., while they go about cleaning-out your bank accounts.
As stated at the outset, these are not everyday occurrences for the law-abiding - most home invasions are felon-on-felon, but when they do impact decent people, they are particularly troubling - example:
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/01/0...
I had a look for some statistics on the likelihood of home invasion in the US and found this: http://livingstingy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/are-int... The stats match ones I've found elsewhere so I don't doubt they are correct, and the conclusions he draws match mine.
I have kids and a shotgun that's locked away, seperately to the cartridges (I still have the scars on my finger from "experimenting" with cartridges as a child...), and if home invasion was likely I'd move.
I have kids and a shotgun that's locked away, seperately to the cartridges (I still have the scars on my finger from "experimenting" with cartridges as a child...), and if home invasion was likely I'd move.
"Washington Senators couldn't muster enough bipartisan support to pass a series of gun control measures Monday, the latest in a long string of failed attempts at enacting tighter curbs on firearms in the United States."
And that's why things here will never, ever change, innocent people slaughtered in a nightclub and still nothing changes. It's been said before but if Sandy Hook wasn't going to change it nothing will.
And that's why things here will never, ever change, innocent people slaughtered in a nightclub and still nothing changes. It's been said before but if Sandy Hook wasn't going to change it nothing will.
Matt Harper said:
Statistically - maybe I am.
Practically, not so much. I have been lucky enough to receive a lot of training. My daughter is a tactical firearms specialist in the Sheriffs Dept where we live. She and some of her colleagues have taught my wife and myself to be proficient, - and safe. An added bonus for me is that I have access to the agency's facilities, so am able to shoot on their range, pretty much whenever I want to. I take advantage of that opportunity at least once per month.
I am not a marksman, or one of those weirdos who go out into the woods, head to toe in cammo to video myself playing quick-draw-mcgraw.
That said, I absolutely know my way around the firearms I own - how they work, what their limitations are and how and when their use would be appropriate and when it would not.
I do concealed carry most of the time.
I think I'd like to make one other comment, if you please. While I do not agree with a lot of the opinions and aggressive tone of poster 5ohmustang, some comments related to his service to this nation (that adopted him, not the other way around) are quite disgraceful and highly objectionable.
Veterans should be respected and appreciated - regardless of their country origins. That may not be the case in the UK anymore - but it certainly used to be. Thank you for your service, 50hmustang - it's appreciated by me.
https://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0?t=4m10sPractically, not so much. I have been lucky enough to receive a lot of training. My daughter is a tactical firearms specialist in the Sheriffs Dept where we live. She and some of her colleagues have taught my wife and myself to be proficient, - and safe. An added bonus for me is that I have access to the agency's facilities, so am able to shoot on their range, pretty much whenever I want to. I take advantage of that opportunity at least once per month.
I am not a marksman, or one of those weirdos who go out into the woods, head to toe in cammo to video myself playing quick-draw-mcgraw.
That said, I absolutely know my way around the firearms I own - how they work, what their limitations are and how and when their use would be appropriate and when it would not.
I do concealed carry most of the time.
I think I'd like to make one other comment, if you please. While I do not agree with a lot of the opinions and aggressive tone of poster 5ohmustang, some comments related to his service to this nation (that adopted him, not the other way around) are quite disgraceful and highly objectionable.
Veterans should be respected and appreciated - regardless of their country origins. That may not be the case in the UK anymore - but it certainly used to be. Thank you for your service, 50hmustang - it's appreciated by me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pr...
Some Gump said:
Matt Harper said:
Statistically - maybe I am.
Practically, not so much. I have been lucky enough to receive a lot of training. My daughter is a tactical firearms specialist in the Sheriffs Dept where we live. She and some of her colleagues have taught my wife and myself to be proficient, - and safe. An added bonus for me is that I have access to the agency's facilities, so am able to shoot on their range, pretty much whenever I want to. I take advantage of that opportunity at least once per month.
I am not a marksman, or one of those weirdos who go out into the woods, head to toe in cammo to video myself playing quick-draw-mcgraw.
That said, I absolutely know my way around the firearms I own - how they work, what their limitations are and how and when their use would be appropriate and when it would not.
I do concealed carry most of the time.
I think I'd like to make one other comment, if you please. While I do not agree with a lot of the opinions and aggressive tone of poster 5ohmustang, some comments related to his service to this nation (that adopted him, not the other way around) are quite disgraceful and highly objectionable.
Veterans should be respected and appreciated - regardless of their country origins. That may not be the case in the UK anymore - but it certainly used to be. Thank you for your service, 50hmustang - it's appreciated by me.
https://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0?t=4m10sPractically, not so much. I have been lucky enough to receive a lot of training. My daughter is a tactical firearms specialist in the Sheriffs Dept where we live. She and some of her colleagues have taught my wife and myself to be proficient, - and safe. An added bonus for me is that I have access to the agency's facilities, so am able to shoot on their range, pretty much whenever I want to. I take advantage of that opportunity at least once per month.
I am not a marksman, or one of those weirdos who go out into the woods, head to toe in cammo to video myself playing quick-draw-mcgraw.
That said, I absolutely know my way around the firearms I own - how they work, what their limitations are and how and when their use would be appropriate and when it would not.
I do concealed carry most of the time.
I think I'd like to make one other comment, if you please. While I do not agree with a lot of the opinions and aggressive tone of poster 5ohmustang, some comments related to his service to this nation (that adopted him, not the other way around) are quite disgraceful and highly objectionable.
Veterans should be respected and appreciated - regardless of their country origins. That may not be the case in the UK anymore - but it certainly used to be. Thank you for your service, 50hmustang - it's appreciated by me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pr...
Is there a point you are attempting to make?
Matt Harper said:
Some Gump said:
Matt Harper said:
Statistically - maybe I am.
Practically, not so much. I have been lucky enough to receive a lot of training. My daughter is a tactical firearms specialist in the Sheriffs Dept where we live. She and some of her colleagues have taught my wife and myself to be proficient, - and safe. An added bonus for me is that I have access to the agency's facilities, so am able to shoot on their range, pretty much whenever I want to. I take advantage of that opportunity at least once per month.
I am not a marksman, or one of those weirdos who go out into the woods, head to toe in cammo to video myself playing quick-draw-mcgraw.
That said, I absolutely know my way around the firearms I own - how they work, what their limitations are and how and when their use would be appropriate and when it would not.
I do concealed carry most of the time.
I think I'd like to make one other comment, if you please. While I do not agree with a lot of the opinions and aggressive tone of poster 5ohmustang, some comments related to his service to this nation (that adopted him, not the other way around) are quite disgraceful and highly objectionable.
Veterans should be respected and appreciated - regardless of their country origins. That may not be the case in the UK anymore - but it certainly used to be. Thank you for your service, 50hmustang - it's appreciated by me.
https://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0?t=4m10sPractically, not so much. I have been lucky enough to receive a lot of training. My daughter is a tactical firearms specialist in the Sheriffs Dept where we live. She and some of her colleagues have taught my wife and myself to be proficient, - and safe. An added bonus for me is that I have access to the agency's facilities, so am able to shoot on their range, pretty much whenever I want to. I take advantage of that opportunity at least once per month.
I am not a marksman, or one of those weirdos who go out into the woods, head to toe in cammo to video myself playing quick-draw-mcgraw.
That said, I absolutely know my way around the firearms I own - how they work, what their limitations are and how and when their use would be appropriate and when it would not.
I do concealed carry most of the time.
I think I'd like to make one other comment, if you please. While I do not agree with a lot of the opinions and aggressive tone of poster 5ohmustang, some comments related to his service to this nation (that adopted him, not the other way around) are quite disgraceful and highly objectionable.
Veterans should be respected and appreciated - regardless of their country origins. That may not be the case in the UK anymore - but it certainly used to be. Thank you for your service, 50hmustang - it's appreciated by me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pr...
Is there a point you are attempting to make?
85% of Americans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.
90% of Republicans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns!
92% of Americans want expanded background checks.
56 GOP senators supported by the NRA, who represent less than 1% of Americans, blocked legislation to make that happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-pol...
90% of Republicans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns!
92% of Americans want expanded background checks.
56 GOP senators supported by the NRA, who represent less than 1% of Americans, blocked legislation to make that happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-pol...
unrepentant said:
85% of Americans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.
90% of Republicans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns!
92% of Americans want expanded background checks.
56 GOP senators supported by the NRA, who represent less than 1% of Americans, blocked legislation to make that happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-pol...
I agree with this and believe it to be true. I think they are wrong for how they voted.90% of Republicans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns!
92% of Americans want expanded background checks.
56 GOP senators supported by the NRA, who represent less than 1% of Americans, blocked legislation to make that happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-pol...
Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
85% of Americans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.
90% of Republicans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns!
92% of Americans want expanded background checks.
56 GOP senators supported by the NRA, who represent less than 1% of Americans, blocked legislation to make that happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-pol...
I agree with this and believe it to be true. I think they are wrong for how they voted.90% of Republicans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns!
92% of Americans want expanded background checks.
56 GOP senators supported by the NRA, who represent less than 1% of Americans, blocked legislation to make that happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-pol...
What the hell do they think the long term outcome is for themselves by ignoring 90% of their constituents wishes? I sincerely hope that the pending collapse of the republican party at the hands of Trump will oust sufficient numbers of those NRA bought assholes in the senate that some sense and positive change can actually start to happen in this country. It's a great country, but it could be SO MUCH better with more common sense politics in place.
Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 21st June 17:08
Holy s***. I know the good old U S of A is a big place but still...........
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/o...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/o...
dvs_dave said:
Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
85% of Americans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.
90% of Republicans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns!
92% of Americans want expanded background checks.
56 GOP senators supported by the NRA, who represent less than 1% of Americans, blocked legislation to make that happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-pol...
I agree with this and believe it to be true. I think they are wrong for how they voted.90% of Republicans favor banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns!
92% of Americans want expanded background checks.
56 GOP senators supported by the NRA, who represent less than 1% of Americans, blocked legislation to make that happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-pol...
What the hell do they think the long term outcome is for themselves by ignoring 90% of their constituents wishes? I sincerely hope that the pending collapse of the republican party at the hands of Trump will oust sufficient numbers of those NRA bought assholes in the senate that some sense and positive change can actually start to happen in this country. It's a great country, but it could be SO MUCH better with more common sense politics in place.
Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 21st June 17:08
Countdown said:
Matt, I would say that we respect our military as much as the US does. I think it's just the open and effervescent praise (as exemplified by 5oh)that some in the UK find a little cringeworthy. Maybe it's just a cultural thing...
I'm not sure. My experience of being in public in uniform (which was briefly encouraged somewhere between NI and Lee Rigby) was what I imagine someone with a disability faces. There's a certain air of unapproachability, people not quite wanting to meet your gaze and not being particularly helpful as a result - not rude as such, but not far off. Of course it can be a mixed bag. I think generally, if people expect to see a serving soldier then they can be quite warm. But if they're caught off-guard in their normal routine (like filling up for petrol) then they can be very passive. In fact weirdly I think the only person who thanked me publically for my service was Jimmy Carr at a stand-up gig in Sheffield after he asked anyone serving to raise their hand (and my missus raised mine for me - which I quickly snapped back down!).
I don't really care either way, but I do think there's a danger in galvanising the idea of holding a soldier in high regard just because they are a soldier. Thats how people become unaccountable for their actions.
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