America, shooting, again??
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Jimboka said:
La Liga said:
Moonhawk said:
Jimboka said:
USA population is 5x here
I feel very comfortable when visiting
5x population = 5x headlines
5x the population - but 71x the firearm related death rate (3.55 vs 0.05 per 100,000). I feel very comfortable when visiting
5x population = 5x headlines
Jimboka said:
La Liga said:
Moonhawk said:
Jimboka said:
USA population is 5x here
I feel very comfortable when visiting
5x population = 5x headlines
5x the population - but 71x the firearm related death rate (3.55 vs 0.05 per 100,000). I feel very comfortable when visiting
5x population = 5x headlines
Haggleburyfinius said:
Seems a Muslim dude went to a Christmas party, started arguing with the attendees about religion then went home, picked up his family member, went back and started killing people.
The equipment used and the fact that others went back with him makes this look relatively pre-planned.
Let's see how this is spun so as not to be considered Islamic terrorism.
A crazy Christian white man shot up a clinic a few days ago so all is balanced. But carry do carry on with your Muzzie fear-mongering.The equipment used and the fact that others went back with him makes this look relatively pre-planned.
Let's see how this is spun so as not to be considered Islamic terrorism.
Back on topic: Gun control would do nothing. The problem in the USA is United States culture and the citizenry that results.
scherzkeks said:
Back on topic: Gun control would do nothing. The problem in the USA is United States culture and the citizenry that results.
This is th real point. Everyone who wails for ever more gun control in the US is ignoring the very large Elephant the the room. The fact that these thing eminate from American culture an not simply because lots of people own guns. There are places a high o high rates of gun ownership which have no where near these numbers of shootings.People like Obama a his ilk moan on about gun control even though they know it will never happen a would never work even if they could pass such laws. They should be talking about about a wholesale change in US culture but that would be even less popular than gun control is.
But doesn't their current gun culture stem from the nature of their gun laws since the founding of the United States? If laws have caused this current situation, laws can change it too.
It may not change overnight - as you say it's a cultural chagne that's needed - but change the laws on guns and I would bet that after 10-20 years these mass shootings would be a rarer thing.
It may not change overnight - as you say it's a cultural chagne that's needed - but change the laws on guns and I would bet that after 10-20 years these mass shootings would be a rarer thing.
ReallyReallyGood said:
But doesn't their current gun culture stem from the nature of their gun laws since the founding of the United States? If laws have caused this current situation, laws can change it too.
It may not change overnight - as you say it's a cultural chagne that's needed - but change the laws on guns and I would bet that after 10-20 years these mass shootings would be a rarer thing.
I was not referring to "gun culture." Gun ownership is a wedge issue that has nothing to do with the greater problem of culture itself in the United States.It may not change overnight - as you say it's a cultural chagne that's needed - but change the laws on guns and I would bet that after 10-20 years these mass shootings would be a rarer thing.
scherzkeks said:
I was not referring to "gun culture." Gun ownership is a wedge issue that has nothing to do with the greater problem of culture itself in the United States.
The right to bear arms and unchecked access to firearms is part of US culture whether you like it or not. The only way you can begin to tackle these tragedies is to reduce availability and eventually the number in circulation would begin to decline. You've got to start somewhere. If your average law-abiding Joe who has stockpiled automatic weapons knows that he is going to be regarded as a criminal for owning them in the near future, there's an incentive to get rid right there.
Of course psychos are not interested in complying with gun laws - the point is that if you can just go into a store and buy an assault rifle over the counter, no questions asked, it's hardly a surprise when a nutcase takes advantage of this and uses it to mow down a crowd of people. I'd suggest whether these weapons are legal or not, if an AK-47-toting maniac comes at you with one you're pretty much a sitting duck anyway.
Ban on the sale of automatic weapons? Gun amnesty? Background checks? Firearms licences? Surely it's time to introduce such measures.
Chicago, Obama's home town, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the USA and also the worst shooting rates.
France has pretty good gun control and just suffered a horrific massacre.
Currently the newspaper reports for the Los Angeles shootings indicate that this was US domestic terrorism.Whether there were laws controlling guns or not, the difference it would have made in this case is absolutely zero.
The US pro-gun lobby advocates that everyone be armed in order to prevent massacres such as this but it was the Police that found the gunmen and dealt with them, in exactly the same way that the Police in Paris dealt with their (much bigger) recent issue.
France has pretty good gun control and just suffered a horrific massacre.
Currently the newspaper reports for the Los Angeles shootings indicate that this was US domestic terrorism.Whether there were laws controlling guns or not, the difference it would have made in this case is absolutely zero.
The US pro-gun lobby advocates that everyone be armed in order to prevent massacres such as this but it was the Police that found the gunmen and dealt with them, in exactly the same way that the Police in Paris dealt with their (much bigger) recent issue.
Blue62 said:
The right to bear arms and unchecked access to firearms is part of US culture whether you like it or not.
What does this have to do with my comments? Blue62 said:
The only way you can begin to tackle these tragedies is to reduce availability and eventually the number in circulation would begin to decline. You've got to start somewhere.
To a degree, yes, but it goes much deeper. These massacres that seem to take place every month now stem from something else. Guns have always been available.Someone on Twitter has been posting up messages about the shootings from politicians along with donation amounts to them from the NRA.
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Blue62 said:
The right to bear arms and unchecked access to firearms is part of US culture whether you like it or not.
The only way you can begin to tackle these tragedies is to reduce availability and eventually the number in circulation would begin to decline. You've got to start somewhere. If your average law-abiding Joe who has stockpiled automatic weapons knows that he is going to be regarded as a criminal for owning them in the near future, there's an incentive to get rid right there.
Of course psychos are not interested in complying with gun laws - the point is that if you can just go into a store and buy an assault rifle over the counter, no questions asked, it's hardly a surprise when a nutcase takes advantage of this and uses it to mow down a crowd of people. I'd suggest whether these weapons are legal or not, if an AK-47-toting maniac comes at you with one you're pretty much a sitting duck anyway.
Ban on the sale of automatic weapons? Gun amnesty? Background checks? Firearms licences? Surely it's time to introduce such measures.
Are you aware of the laws in California regarding the purchase and ownership of firearms?The only way you can begin to tackle these tragedies is to reduce availability and eventually the number in circulation would begin to decline. You've got to start somewhere. If your average law-abiding Joe who has stockpiled automatic weapons knows that he is going to be regarded as a criminal for owning them in the near future, there's an incentive to get rid right there.
Of course psychos are not interested in complying with gun laws - the point is that if you can just go into a store and buy an assault rifle over the counter, no questions asked, it's hardly a surprise when a nutcase takes advantage of this and uses it to mow down a crowd of people. I'd suggest whether these weapons are legal or not, if an AK-47-toting maniac comes at you with one you're pretty much a sitting duck anyway.
Ban on the sale of automatic weapons? Gun amnesty? Background checks? Firearms licences? Surely it's time to introduce such measures.
Bans, licenses, checks, amnesties etc. don't trouble criminals or terrorists intent on killing people.
BoRED S2upid said:
Dan_1981 said:
Reporting three shooters, body armour, full get up.
All bought from your local hunting shop no doubt. Blue62 said:
The right to bear arms and unchecked access to firearms is part of US culture whether you like it or not.
there are absolutely checks. California is quite heavily regulated. they don't call it commifornia on us gun forums for nothing. 10 round capacity limit and 'bullet button' designed to make it hard and slow to re load a semi auto rifle too.Edited by Pesty on Thursday 3rd December 10:28
Hosenbugler said:
Looks to be unfolding as yet another mass murder inspired by the religion of peace.
Seems to be premeditated , pipe bombs being thrown at the police. The only good thing is that these particular warped religous freaks won't be doing it again.
Looks more like another example of the 'US postal' phenomenon to me.Seems to be premeditated , pipe bombs being thrown at the police. The only good thing is that these particular warped religous freaks won't be doing it again.
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