America, shooting, again??
Discussion
There was another mass shooting in the USA yesterday which has barely even been reported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/1...
A man in Savannah Georgia shot four people, killing a woman and injuring four men. It didn't make the national news and the local TV station covered it in just three paragraphs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/1...
A man in Savannah Georgia shot four people, killing a woman and injuring four men. It didn't make the national news and the local TV station covered it in just three paragraphs.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Blue62 said:
The right to bear arms and unchecked access to firearms is part of US culture whether you like it or not.
The only way you can begin to tackle these tragedies is to reduce availability and eventually the number in circulation would begin to decline. You've got to start somewhere. If your average law-abiding Joe who has stockpiled automatic weapons knows that he is going to be regarded as a criminal for owning them in the near future, there's an incentive to get rid right there.
Of course psychos are not interested in complying with gun laws - the point is that if you can just go into a store and buy an assault rifle over the counter, no questions asked, it's hardly a surprise when a nutcase takes advantage of this and uses it to mow down a crowd of people. I'd suggest whether these weapons are legal or not, if an AK-47-toting maniac comes at you with one you're pretty much a sitting duck anyway.
Ban on the sale of automatic weapons? Gun amnesty? Background checks? Firearms licences? Surely it's time to introduce such measures.
Are you aware of the laws in California regarding the purchase and ownership of firearms?The only way you can begin to tackle these tragedies is to reduce availability and eventually the number in circulation would begin to decline. You've got to start somewhere. If your average law-abiding Joe who has stockpiled automatic weapons knows that he is going to be regarded as a criminal for owning them in the near future, there's an incentive to get rid right there.
Of course psychos are not interested in complying with gun laws - the point is that if you can just go into a store and buy an assault rifle over the counter, no questions asked, it's hardly a surprise when a nutcase takes advantage of this and uses it to mow down a crowd of people. I'd suggest whether these weapons are legal or not, if an AK-47-toting maniac comes at you with one you're pretty much a sitting duck anyway.
Ban on the sale of automatic weapons? Gun amnesty? Background checks? Firearms licences? Surely it's time to introduce such measures.
Judging by his speech afterwards, I'm so sure Obama was too aware of the California laws either
aeropilot said:
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant....
Judging by his speech afterwards, I'm so sure Obama was too aware of the California laws either
I've been traveling to the USA for a long while now, all over the place and not ever seen vehicles searched for guns when crossing either County or State lines.Judging by his speech afterwards, I'm so sure Obama was too aware of the California laws either
longshot said:
Is it that time of the month already?
Not far from the mark.At least 352 mass shootings this year, and it's the 336th day. 29 days left with 16 more left to come (on average).
Data from Shootingtracker.com which is currently offline due to resource limits.
Then again, there was the one in Georgia where a man shot 4 ppl on weds (no arrest as yet) and the was 3 shootings in Houston, I think. Hard to glean details.
Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 3rd December 12:11
Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 3rd December 12:11
Willy Nilly said:
does anyone care any more?
Not since Sandy Hook. America went through that and decided that the murder of children was tolerable. When we had Dunblaine we did the opposite. Once you've decided that's an acceptable consequence of the right to bear arms any subsequent attack makes no difference.BJG1 said:
Not since Sandy Hook. America went through that and decided that the murder of children was tolerable. When we had Dunblaine we did the opposite. Once you've decided that's an acceptable consequence of the right to bear arms any subsequent attack makes no difference.
This, when the slaughter of children isn't enough to make people change their ways then there is nothing else left. FurtiveFreddy said:
Are you aware of the laws in California regarding the purchase and ownership of firearms?
Bans, licenses, checks, amnesties etc. don't trouble criminals or terrorists intent on killing people.
I agree with you, I'm sure they don't. But it would stop some kid who's being picked on at school shooting up a classroom with his dad's gun. Because his dad doesn't have one. You think some snotty 15 year old in the UK knows how to get a gun from the criminal underworld? I'd bet 99% don't.Bans, licenses, checks, amnesties etc. don't trouble criminals or terrorists intent on killing people.
How many of these types of shootings are from organized criminal networks who as you say would still have guns after a ban? Very few I'd imagine. They just want to go about their (illegal) business and not draw attention to themselves, which shooting a large number of the public tends to do.
johnxjsc1985 said:
have any of these disaster ever been stopped because they came across someone who shot back?.
I am glad we have strict gun control and I think we need to have even tougher sentences for anyone found with an illegal firearm
Apparently Trump reckoned that it would have helped. (Not in the most recent one, the one back in January, that was mis-quoted apparently).I am glad we have strict gun control and I think we need to have even tougher sentences for anyone found with an illegal firearm
johnxjsc1985 said:
have any of these disaster ever been stopped because they came across someone who shot back?.
I am glad we have strict gun control and I think we need to have even tougher sentences for anyone found with an illegal firearm
Terrorists don't win in Texas.I am glad we have strict gun control and I think we need to have even tougher sentences for anyone found with an illegal firearm
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-draw...
ukaskew said:
Beati Dogu said:
Our coach was searched for fruit and veg while crossing into California. I kid you not.
I remember the exact moment that happened to us as well, had to ditch some nice apples!
same thing happened to us, luckily we'd hidden the apples in some replica hand grenades and they waved us through. It's an odd one.
On the one hand, storming out of a party angry suggests a workplace incident. But then, the fact he left and returned 20mins later with his wife who was complicit in killing these people would suggest otherwise. That's to say, it didn't seem to take much convincing to mobilise her if they returned in 20mins. I'm pretty sure if I came home annoyed and suggested to my other half we go and murder a load of people she'd have me committed, not say "You had me at hello, now let's go do this".
Also, if the pipe bomb stuff is true, that also suggests a level of premeditation and planning?
This guy was apparently earning $54k a year with an additional $22k in benefits so he seemed to be doing okay for himself too, they also had a young child together. Most normal, rational people don't just throw away a decent job and salary and their family lives to go out murdering people over some sort of disagreement.
On the one hand, storming out of a party angry suggests a workplace incident. But then, the fact he left and returned 20mins later with his wife who was complicit in killing these people would suggest otherwise. That's to say, it didn't seem to take much convincing to mobilise her if they returned in 20mins. I'm pretty sure if I came home annoyed and suggested to my other half we go and murder a load of people she'd have me committed, not say "You had me at hello, now let's go do this".
Also, if the pipe bomb stuff is true, that also suggests a level of premeditation and planning?
This guy was apparently earning $54k a year with an additional $22k in benefits so he seemed to be doing okay for himself too, they also had a young child together. Most normal, rational people don't just throw away a decent job and salary and their family lives to go out murdering people over some sort of disagreement.
Oakey said:
It's an odd one.
On the one hand, storming out of a party angry suggests a workplace incident. But then, the fact he left and returned 20mins later with his wife who was complicit in killing these people would suggest otherwise. That's to say, it didn't seem to take much convincing to mobilise her if they returned in 20mins. I'm pretty sure if I came home annoyed and suggested to my other half we go and murder a load of people she'd have me committed, not say "You had me at hello, now let's go do this".
Also, if the pipe bomb stuff is true, that also suggests a level of premeditation and planning?
This guy was apparently earning $54k a year with an additional $22k in benefits so he seemed to be doing okay for himself too, they also had a young child together. Most normal, rational people don't just throw away a decent job and salary and their family lives to go out murdering people over some sort of disagreement.
Possibly engineered the argument to "justify" his actions?On the one hand, storming out of a party angry suggests a workplace incident. But then, the fact he left and returned 20mins later with his wife who was complicit in killing these people would suggest otherwise. That's to say, it didn't seem to take much convincing to mobilise her if they returned in 20mins. I'm pretty sure if I came home annoyed and suggested to my other half we go and murder a load of people she'd have me committed, not say "You had me at hello, now let's go do this".
Also, if the pipe bomb stuff is true, that also suggests a level of premeditation and planning?
This guy was apparently earning $54k a year with an additional $22k in benefits so he seemed to be doing okay for himself too, they also had a young child together. Most normal, rational people don't just throw away a decent job and salary and their family lives to go out murdering people over some sort of disagreement.
Trevatanus said:
Oakey said:
It's an odd one.
On the one hand, storming out of a party angry suggests a workplace incident. But then, the fact he left and returned 20mins later with his wife who was complicit in killing these people would suggest otherwise. That's to say, it didn't seem to take much convincing to mobilise her if they returned in 20mins. I'm pretty sure if I came home annoyed and suggested to my other half we go and murder a load of people she'd have me committed, not say "You had me at hello, now let's go do this".
Also, if the pipe bomb stuff is true, that also suggests a level of premeditation and planning?
This guy was apparently earning $54k a year with an additional $22k in benefits so he seemed to be doing okay for himself too, they also had a young child together. Most normal, rational people don't just throw away a decent job and salary and their family lives to go out murdering people over some sort of disagreement.
Possibly engineered the argument to "justify" his actions?On the one hand, storming out of a party angry suggests a workplace incident. But then, the fact he left and returned 20mins later with his wife who was complicit in killing these people would suggest otherwise. That's to say, it didn't seem to take much convincing to mobilise her if they returned in 20mins. I'm pretty sure if I came home annoyed and suggested to my other half we go and murder a load of people she'd have me committed, not say "You had me at hello, now let's go do this".
Also, if the pipe bomb stuff is true, that also suggests a level of premeditation and planning?
This guy was apparently earning $54k a year with an additional $22k in benefits so he seemed to be doing okay for himself too, they also had a young child together. Most normal, rational people don't just throw away a decent job and salary and their family lives to go out murdering people over some sort of disagreement.
ReallyReallyGood said:
Jimboka said:
La Liga said:
Moonhawk said:
Jimboka said:
USA population is 5x here
I feel very comfortable when visiting
5x population = 5x headlines
5x the population - but 71x the firearm related death rate (3.55 vs 0.05 per 100,000). I feel very comfortable when visiting
5x population = 5x headlines
That means the Americans would only be allowed 10 headlines of this nature in order for the 5x to work. In 19 years. The data isn't clear in the US, and it depends how we define 'mass-shooting', but this source the Guardian is quoting shows there to be over 1000 in 1000 days (4 or more people shot head) http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/...
Other sources with a higher threshold of death claim over 200 since 2006. Either way, a little more than the 10 we'd be allowed in 19 years for the x5 theory to work.
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