Lee Rigby's killer wants compo

[bonkbonk]

WinstonWolf said:

Utter balderdash, if he hadn't kicked off he'd still have his teeth.

The 'scum still have ooman rights' attitude is wrong and needs to be put back in it's box.

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

A crime doesn't stop being a crime because it happens in prison.

Of course prisoners still have human rights, the sentence itself is the punishment for the crime committed, it isn't a green light for some sort of free for all on the person sentenced.

[dudleybloke]

Compensate him but pay him with bacon.

[ATG]

WinstonWolf said:

The point is he is the one who kicked off. Would he have lost his teeth if he didn't kick off? No. Did the staff follow protocol in restraining a violent prisoner? Yes. Does he deserve a single penny? No.

I don't believe anything else needs saying...

That's a completely different point from "he's a murderer so stuff him". I was pointing out that what he has done in the past has no bearing on whether the conduct of the prison officers was or wasn't reasonable. Pretty simple point really.

[WinstonWolf]

bonkbonk said:

WinstonWolf said:

Utter balderdash, if he hadn't kicked off he'd still have his teeth.

The 'scum still have ooman rights' attitude is wrong and needs to be put back in it's box.

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

A crime doesn't stop being a crime because it happens in prison.

Of course prisoners still have human rights, the sentence itself is the punishment for the crime committed, it isn't a green light for some sort of free for all on the person sentenced.

The only crime that may have been committed in prison was not following the officers instructions resulting in scum boy losing his teeth. The incident was investigated and the officers were found to have done no wrong.

What was Lee Rigby's crime?

[anonymous-user]

KrazyIvan said:

wiggy001 said:

Can someone please tell me what use the compo will be to him when he is serving a whole life tariff at her majesty's pleasure?

He can use the money to pay compensation to Lee Rigbys family.

He will just give the money to ISIS, naturally.

[anonymous-user]

If we have a whip round we could get enough to pay for a few more teeth knocked out.

[bonkbonk]

WinstonWolf said:

The only crime that may have been committed in prison was not following the officers instructions resulting in scum boy losing his teeth. The incident was investigated and the officers were found to have done no wrong.

What was Lee Rigby's crime?

I was replying to your point that people shouldn't have human rights in prison - which is one that I disagree with.

In this specific case you may well be right - the tribunal will decide

[WinstonWolf]

bonkbonk said:

WinstonWolf said:

The only crime that may have been committed in prison was not following the officers instructions resulting in scum boy losing his teeth. The incident was investigated and the officers were found to have done no wrong.

What was Lee Rigby's crime?

I was replying to your point that people shouldn't have human rights in prison - which is one that I disagree with.

In this specific case you may well be right - the tribunal will decide

Prison should be feared if it is to work as a deterrent. It is a punishment, not a vocation.

[bonkbonk]

WinstonWolf said:

Prison should be feared if it is to work as a deterrent. It is a punishment, not a vocation.

Of course but there is clearly a difference between having an enjoyable time and fearing that you might be stabbed/punched in the teeth/raped at any moment.

It is completely possible and indeed very important to have a deterrent without waiving basic human rights.

[WinstonWolf]

bonkbonk said:

WinstonWolf said:

Prison should be feared if it is to work as a deterrent. It is a punishment, not a vocation.

Of course but there is clearly a difference between having an enjoyable time and fearing that you might be stabbed/punched in the teeth/raped at any moment.

It is completely possible and indeed very important to have a deterrent without waiving basic human rights.

They have basic human rights, until they choose to waive them by going to prison for murder.

What about Lee Rigby's 'ooman rights?

[Collectingbrass]

KrazyIvan said:

poo at Paul's said:

Collectingbrass said:

So a public employee may have been negligent in the course of their duties and may have injured someone. Because that someone was previously a scumbag (for which they are already being punished) they deserve no recompense or restitution for the result of the alleged negligence?

BINGO!

Except as has been said, they were not negligent in carrying out their duty, made harder by said current scumbag kicking off, bringing about the need to use force.

The Ministry Of Justice's spokesman has said in response to the story that "The officers involved were told they had no case to answer", and only the Prison Officer's union so far is saying approved techniques were used. (http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/lee-rigby-killer-sues-prison-service-after-teeth-knocked-out-in-jail-11364028075244). As a side note it sets my spidey senses tingling that someone has decided to leak this story to the Sun and I question why this is so - who benefits from the leak? Not Cameron, he has already won his vote on Syria, so who does benefit except those who would rather avoid awkward questions in court?

No criminal case to answer does not mean they or the MoJ were not negligent, indeed as we have seen elsewhere it may well mean that the CPS believe they do not have sufficient evidence to bring a successful prosecution.

The evidential test for a criminal prosecution is far higher than that for a civil suit, as will no doubt be seen by the relatives & victims of the Glasgow bin lorry crash in due course. Why should they be recompensed for the negligence of the person causing the injury, or the organization that employed him, when Adebolajo should not? Which of us is fit to judge which of those victims, which we would all no doubt see as "righteous" in comparison at the moment, were not "scum" earlier in their life?

Please do not misunderstand me, I am not defending Adebolajo's murder of Lee Rigby for one moment; I am defending our culture, standards, ethics and morals when we are in a hot war with ISIS & Al Qaeda and a cold one with Putin over what is essentially the difference between one set of those values and another. Do you really want this country to descend to their level?

[bonkbonk]

WinstonWolf said:

They have basic human rights, until they choose to waive them by going to prison for murder.

What about Lee Rigby's 'ooman rights?

You do not waive all your human rights when you go to prison

[Collectingbrass]

WinstonWolf said:

bonkbonk said:

WinstonWolf said:

Prison should be feared if it is to work as a deterrent. It is a punishment, not a vocation.

Of course but there is clearly a difference between having an enjoyable time and fearing that you might be stabbed/punched in the teeth/raped at any moment.

It is completely possible and indeed very important to have a deterrent without waiving basic human rights.

They have basic human rights, until they choose to waive them by going to prison for murder.

What about Lee Rigby's 'ooman rights?

And what of the 'ooman rights of the battered wife who lashes out in self defense once in 29 years and kills her husband, the groomed girl who stabs her rapist with her heel or the powerfully built director who did not see the child in black while driving his mapped 535d on an ill lit road and causes a death by dangerous driving? There is no degree to this; everyone but everyone has human rights (and responsibilities) if we are the country we profess to be.

[Hooli]

bonkbonk said:

WinstonWolf said:

They have basic human rights, until they choose to waive them by going to prison for murder.

What about Lee Rigby's 'ooman rights?

You do not waive all your human rights when you go to prison

You should

[Digga]

Hooli said:

bonkbonk said:

WinstonWolf said:

They have basic human rights, until they choose to waive them by going to prison for murder.

What about Lee Rigby's 'ooman rights?

You do not waive all your human rights when you go to prison

You should

Not for ordinary crimes, but I think perhaps, for terrorism, there may be an argument for different treatment. This would of course require a complete withdrawal from the EU/ECHR system.

[rb5er]

The scummer should be put down like a dog anyway rather than waste everyones tome and money.

[ikarl]

I'm actually quite surprised at what I'm reading. Is there a line? a couple of teeth, a few broken ribs, remove a few bones from his feet, scald him with hot water??

In this country we have laws. If you break these laws you will be punished. We have detailed guidelines set out for what punishment is appropriate for breaking these laws.

This person appears to have been given the worst (or best depending on how you look at it) punishment we have available. If you think the punishment is not enough, do something about the punishment.

[Collectingbrass]

Digga said:

Not for ordinary crimes, but I think perhaps, for terrorism, there may be an argument for different treatment. This would of course require a complete withdrawal from the EU/ECHR system.

How would you deradicalise and rehabilitate a terrorist if you are not the "better man"?

If Auschwitz did not break the religious spirit of the Jews, how successful will it be to tell a British screw that he can give the non-humans in the orange jump suits a slap now and again?

Yes, I know I've just invoked Godwin's law; who wants what at the bar?

[DavidJG]

dudleybloke said:

Compensate him but pay him with bacon 9mm of lead.

Fixed for you.

[dazwalsh]

His victim doesnt have any human rights anymore so why the fk does this vile human deserve to have them still.

I would give him the bare minimum food and water to keep him alive and thats about as much as he desrves for the rest of his miserable life, im not even sure i would allow any natural light into his cell, just 4 concrete walls and a flourescent ight that has a constant hum from it. Oh and a hole in the floor to piss and st in.

That goes for every murderer not just him.