Lee Rigby's killer wants compo
Discussion
Collectingbrass said:
Digga said:
Not for ordinary crimes, but I think perhaps, for terrorism, there may be an argument for different treatment. This would of course require a complete withdrawal from the EU/ECHR system.
How would you deradicalise and rehabilitate a terrorist if you are not the "better man"?If Auschwitz did not break the religious spirit of the Jews, how successful will it be to tell a British screw that he can give the non-humans in the orange jump suits a slap now and again?
Yes, I know I've just invoked Godwin's law; who wants what at the bar?
dazwalsh said:
His victim doesnt have any human rights anymore so why the f
k does this vile human deserve to have them still.
I would give him the bare minimum food and water to keep him alive and thats about as much as he desrves for the rest of his miserable life, im not even sure i would allow any natural light into his cell, just 4 concrete walls and a flourescent ight that has a constant hum from it. Oh and a hole in the floor to piss and st in.
That goes for every murderer not just him.
What if someone fiddled with and then killed and ate your kids and you found them and killed them? k does this vile human deserve to have them still. I would give him the bare minimum food and water to keep him alive and thats about as much as he desrves for the rest of his miserable life, im not even sure i would allow any natural light into his cell, just 4 concrete walls and a flourescent ight that has a constant hum from it. Oh and a hole in the floor to piss and s
t in.That goes for every murderer not just him.
dazwalsh said:
His victim doesnt have any human rights anymore so why the fk does this vile human deserve to have them still.
I would give him the bare minimum food and water to keep him alive and thats about as much as he desrves for the rest of his miserable life, im not even sure i would allow any natural light into his cell, just 4 concrete walls and a flourescent ight that has a constant hum from it. Oh and a hole in the floor to piss and st in.
That goes for every murderer not just him.
This is just ridiculous.k does this vile human deserve to have them still. I would give him the bare minimum food and water to keep him alive and thats about as much as he desrves for the rest of his miserable life, im not even sure i would allow any natural light into his cell, just 4 concrete walls and a flourescent ight that has a constant hum from it. Oh and a hole in the floor to piss and s
t in.That goes for every murderer not just him.
It's a step away from being written in 'txt spk' and posted on f
king Facebook!Please, put this one particular incident out of mind and actually think through the logistics and consequences of what you propose.
worsy said:
wiggy001 said:
Can someone please tell me what use the compo will be to him when he is serving a whole life tariff at her majesty's pleasure?
Purchase prison luxuries (chocolate, magazines) without having to perform a job?It's interesting to see people compromise the fundamental values and differences which make us better that the likes of him. His crime is being punished by him being in prison for the rest of his life. His punishment doesn't include summary beatings / justice. Approving such things is fraught with inconsistency, as others have pointed out. I can knock a murderer's teeth out, so what can I do to a burglar? A slap to the face?
Adebolajo's behaviour suggests he wants to be in the news and stay relevant. Obviously the act itself, the hopeless 'not guilty' plea and trial, the appeal to his sentence, and now this. I wouldn't be surprised to see him It'd be better not to report it and let the Home Office defend the claim if they feel they have a good chance of doing so and starve him of the oxygen he craves. As others have said, just because the police investigation found the prison guards had used reasonable force, doesn't mean there aren't civil liabilities at a court. I hope it's a good indication there aren't. Prisoners / those arrested do get injured when they fight with officers.
I'll add prisons officers do an extremely tough job very well nearly all of the time.
Adebolajo's behaviour suggests he wants to be in the news and stay relevant. Obviously the act itself, the hopeless 'not guilty' plea and trial, the appeal to his sentence, and now this. I wouldn't be surprised to see him It'd be better not to report it and let the Home Office defend the claim if they feel they have a good chance of doing so and starve him of the oxygen he craves. As others have said, just because the police investigation found the prison guards had used reasonable force, doesn't mean there aren't civil liabilities at a court. I hope it's a good indication there aren't. Prisoners / those arrested do get injured when they fight with officers.
I'll add prisons officers do an extremely tough job very well nearly all of the time.
jogger1976 said:
If he is represented and does win the money, then whoever represents him should hang their heads in shame.
Why? Once again, the fundamental differences which make us better is that we have a justice system which represents the views of both sides in order to try to achieve a just result. Collectingbrass said:
How would you deradicalise and rehabilitate a terrorist if you are not the "better man"?
It's not a case of maltreating them, but rather avoiding the ridiculous situation we have now with regard to 'rights'. When you carry out an act of terror, IMHO you abrogate your own rights, morally.As for de-radicalisation, that is a moot point. Find me a de-radicalised terrorist and I'll find you a lying b
d, playing the system for all it's worth and hoping for early release on good behaviour. Life should mean life for these tts.Edited by Digga on Thursday 10th December 16:50
The Beast of Codfin said:
Digga said:
Find me a de-radicalised terrorist and I'll find you a lying bd, playing the system for all it's worth and hoping for early release on good behaviour.
Nelson Mandela. d, playing the system for all it's worth and hoping for early release on good behaviour.RIP Nelson.
ATG said:
Collectingbrass is on the money. The murder this bloke committed has absolutely nothing to do with whether the officers did things by the book, nor whether "the book" itself is reasonable. It makes no sense to conflate the two, and the Home Office is spinning when it does so.
We must wait and see if the claim has any teeth when tested in court. Assuming it gets that far.
Prisoners shouldn't have their teeth knocked out by staff. He is perfectly entitled to expect compensation.
Just because you may be filled with Daily Mail racist rage about this, what he's there for and how he is treated whilst he is there are two different things.
He should serve his sentence, with his teeth intact, and if people want to provide vigilante justice, then he should expect for be compensated for it.
Just because you may be filled with Daily Mail racist rage about this, what he's there for and how he is treated whilst he is there are two different things.
He should serve his sentence, with his teeth intact, and if people want to provide vigilante justice, then he should expect for be compensated for it.
Digga said:
As for de-radicalisation, that is a moot point. Find me a de-radicalised terrorist and I'll find you a lying bd, playing the system for all it's worth and hoping for early release on good behaviour.
Well thanks Judge Dread...d, playing the system for all it's worth and hoping for early release on good behaviour.The guy who was on Question Time last week from the Quillian Foundation is a former fundamentalist, isn't he? And didn't he convert that ex EDL leader from his radical views over a cup of tea? You can pull people back from the brink, there is a whole school of shrinks out there who work with ex cult members and people who've been radicalised, there's a Joe Rogan podcast with a guy called Steven Hassan who spent 15 years in the Moonies (iirc) and now helps people...
When you right people of you right us all off. To er is human.
Digga said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the great man never personally butchered an innocent person, did he?
By that logic, neither did this fella who mowed down a drummer, as the person wasn't innocent, they were fair game (in the war they believed they were fighting). However, Mandela WAS a terrorist. Just because he eventually turned out to be on the winning side, and the whites hadn't really been doing a great job, it supposedly doesn't matter. WRONG. A terrorist is a terroist, no matter their goal.
Digga said:
The Beast of Codfin said:
Digga said:
Find me a de-radicalised terrorist and I'll find you a lying bd, playing the system for all it's worth and hoping for early release on good behaviour.
Nelson Mandela. d, playing the system for all it's worth and hoping for early release on good behaviour.RIP Nelson.
RIP Sir TMCD
Calletrece said:
Prisoners shouldn't have their teeth knocked out by staff. He is perfectly entitled to expect compensation.
Just because you may be filled with Daily Mail racist rage about this, what he's there for and how he is treated whilst he is there are two different things.
He should serve his sentence, with his teeth intact, and if people want to provide vigilante justice, then he should expect for be compensated for it.
So if we have a differing opinion that Justice has not been served by his merely serving a prison sentence we are now all racists? He chopped the head off a person he didn't know in the street, boasted about it and threatened others. Justice has not yet been served. A couple of teeth doesn't cover it either.Just because you may be filled with Daily Mail racist rage about this, what he's there for and how he is treated whilst he is there are two different things.
He should serve his sentence, with his teeth intact, and if people want to provide vigilante justice, then he should expect for be compensated for it.
Hackney said:
Wow, looks like a lot of people are actually pro-ISIS after all given their version of "justice" and opposition to human rights.
Human rights are merely a social construct defined by the UN based on collective might being stronger than an individual country's might. Nothing more.Hackney said:
Wow, looks like a lot of people are actually pro-ISIS after all given their version of "justice" and opposition to human rights.
Just because people breath through their nose and can speak without swearing, it doesn't mean they're pro-ISIS you Neanderthal. If the terrorists mean that you want to change our system to punish them on a more medieval level then I'd argue that you're more like ISIS than a good British man. Scum!
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