Douglas Carswell: UKIP needs a 'fresh face' as leader
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35121684
DC said:
no party is defined by any one person.
NF said:
We have one person who disagrees with my leadership - Douglas Carswell is out on a limb.
Only one person, eh. Almost like a statistic from North Korean "satisfaction with leadership" questionnaire. Isn't that same DC the one and only elected representative (HoC)?It's true IMO, Farage should have stood down and refused to return/not resign after the general election. The party needs to be seen as more than a one man band and giving others some limelight would go a long way towards dispelling that image.
He didn't have to call it a day for good but a period away from mainstream politics and as the face of UKIP would have benefited both him and the party.
He didn't have to call it a day for good but a period away from mainstream politics and as the face of UKIP would have benefited both him and the party.
Digga said:
DC is the perpetual voice of dissent. Even a stopped clock and all that....
As the only one elected though, a pretty important one IMO. He's obviously saying enough right to those of a UKIP persuasion to get voted in...unlike the rest.I don't dislike Farage and think he has a lot of good stuff to say, but I think if any EU exit referendum becomes his face everywhere over all else then we are in trouble. i.e. I don't think it will help get an "out" vote.
He needs to be in the background loading the gun. Not spraying the bullets himself.
(Not a UKIP voter btw...but do want out of the EU).
Digga said:
DC is the perpetual voice of dissent. Even a stopped clock and all that....
I'll disagree. I very much doubt that he's the only person that doesn't agree with Farage. I'll accept that my view might be very much influenced by instinctive dislike for Farage, and his phony bloke down the pub act. If it wasn't for DC, who, if reports are correct would walk any election in his constituency, UKIP would have 0 MoPs. I also agree with Farage, and although I'm leaning towards staying inside EU, people that I know that want out, dislike Farage as much. The problem, if you can call it that, for UKIP is that UKIP is one man band, and I can't see anybody who would be able to fill Farage's shoes.
Status quo, will not result in more MoPs at the next elections. Probably one less.
jjlynn27 said:
I'll disagree. I very much doubt that he's the only person that doesn't agree with Farage. I'll accept that my view might be very much influenced by instinctive dislike for Farage, and his phony bloke down the pub act. If it wasn't for DC, who, if reports are correct would walk any election in his constituency, UKIP would have 0 MoPs. I also agree with Farage, and although I'm leaning towards staying inside EU, people that I know that want out, dislike Farage as much.
The problem, if you can call it that, for UKIP is that UKIP is one man band, and I can't see anybody who would be able to fill Farage's shoes.
Status quo, will not result in more MoPs at the next elections. Probably one less.
It's not a Ukip referendum ( you could debate though if Cameron didn't panic more than a little and offer he never wanted to or believes in ) or a vote for them. If people you know are deciding their vote with any regard to Farage, they are more than a bit stupid. The problem, if you can call it that, for UKIP is that UKIP is one man band, and I can't see anybody who would be able to fill Farage's shoes.
Status quo, will not result in more MoPs at the next elections. Probably one less.
Carswell..."Put Up or Shut Up...!" Well done to Farage for being succinct; only wish all politicians spoke so clearly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35130492
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35130492
jjlynn27 said:
I can't see anybody who would be able to fill Farage's shoes.
Like him or not, I don't think there are any mainstream politicians who are any better in delivering speeches or interview off the cuff.There are some good speakers and some good interviewees, on both sides of the house, but content aside, he has a certain gravitas and sincerity that is very rare in modern, identikit politics.
Mr_B said:
It's not a Ukip referendum ( you could debate though if Cameron didn't panic more than a little and offer he never wanted to or believes in ) or a vote for them. If people you know are deciding their vote with any regard to Farage, they are more than a bit stupid.
There-in lies the problem, the UK media portray Farage as an ale drinking buffoon when in reality he is very, very far from this. He does not have the smooth talking politico character people expect of their politicians and so many will vote for the EU based purely on UK public image. This is a shame as elsewhere in the world he's highly respected for his indepth knowledge of the EU issue.He would benefit from sharpening up his public UK persona and getting some journalists behind him...and UKIP, love them or not, need some public big hitters to join them...politicians, business and academic folk who carry credence and gravitas. Behind the scenes they have some well placed supporters but these people need to go public. UKIP would also benefit from an image rework...much the same as the Leave.EU team have. Just looking at their exec' team holds much good water... https://leave.eu/en/our-campaign
My previous post made very little sense; 'I agree with Farage' is wrong on so many levels. I knew what I meant at the time. The point v Europe, is that people that I know dislike Farage, regardless of their stance on EU. Nobody was suggesting that they would vote based on that.
I don't believe that he is sincere at all. The 'resign/unresign' fiasco, for me, was a final proof, as if I needed one. I do think that he's good at handling media. But sincere? No.
I don't believe that he is sincere at all. The 'resign/unresign' fiasco, for me, was a final proof, as if I needed one. I do think that he's good at handling media. But sincere? No.
jjlynn27 said:
My previous post made very little sense; 'I agree with Farage' is wrong on so many levels. I knew what I meant at the time. The point v Europe, is that people that I know dislike Farage, regardless of their stance on EU. Nobody was suggesting that they would vote based on that.
I don't believe that he is sincere at all. The 'resign/unresign' fiasco, for me, was a final proof, as if I needed one. I do think that he's good at handling media. But sincere? No.
Got to disagree. Whatever his faults are, he is almost the definition of a conviction politician. You might not agree with him, but he is sincere. I don't believe that he is sincere at all. The 'resign/unresign' fiasco, for me, was a final proof, as if I needed one. I do think that he's good at handling media. But sincere? No.
jjlynn27 said:
My previous post made very little sense; 'I agree with Farage' is wrong on so many levels. I knew what I meant at the time. The point v Europe, is that people that I know dislike Farage, regardless of their stance on EU. Nobody was suggesting that they would vote based on that.
I don't believe that he is sincere at all. The 'resign/unresign' fiasco, for me, was a final proof, as if I needed one. I do think that he's good at handling media. But sincere? No.
As politicians go I can't think of anyone that comes close to Farage in sincerity.I don't believe that he is sincere at all. The 'resign/unresign' fiasco, for me, was a final proof, as if I needed one. I do think that he's good at handling media. But sincere? No.
After any Farage interview, you are never left in any doubt what his views are on topical issues and what he'd do about them. He's probably one of THE most sincere and straight talking party leaders this country has seen for decades.
His speech a few weeks ago was superb too.
Pity his only MP had to go and open his trap and spoil the party. NF needs to wear a stab proof vest next time he's near that grinning assassin.
His speech a few weeks ago was superb too.
Pity his only MP had to go and open his trap and spoil the party. NF needs to wear a stab proof vest next time he's near that grinning assassin.
tangerine_sedge said:
I agree, he was very clear about resigning after the election. Then very clear about not resigning after the election too.
and your being very clearly a Muppet spouting something you know is simply not that happened.this brings me on to another 'come the revolution' law:
Any Jurno knowingly publishing a lie (as in something that's not true) or deliberately and knowingly miss-representing something get a 3 month custodial sentence, along with his/her editor.
the sooner the press get back to reporting the news, not making it up the better.
however the resignation bulls
t panned out, it looked a right farce from a non kipper angle. He either didn't resign and made all the "man if my word" stuff up, or they really don't have anything other than frog face himself.
His "straight talking and honesty" happens to be the reason I don't like, or would never vote for the man.
t panned out, it looked a right farce from a non kipper angle. He either didn't resign and made all the "man if my word" stuff up, or they really don't have anything other than frog face himself. His "straight talking and honesty" happens to be the reason I don't like, or would never vote for the man.
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