Douglas Carswell: UKIP needs a 'fresh face' as leader

[Esseesse]

Axionknight said:

Thorodin said:

Witness now the gradual break up of the party into factions with varying degrees of irrelevance and navel gazing. The inevitability is a shame.

Are you talking about the Tory Party when they start squabbling about MPs being allowed to campaign for out?

EU referendum: Heseltine warns of Tory 'civil war'

[powerstroke]

Esseesse said:

Axionknight said:

Thorodin said:

Witness now the gradual break up of the party into factions with varying degrees of irrelevance and navel gazing. The inevitability is a shame.

Are you talking about the Tory Party when they start squabbling about MPs being allowed to campaign for out?

EU referendum: Heseltine warns of Tory 'civil war'

That mischivous old st should wind his neck in !! along with that Mong Major and the fkwit Clark... jesus its amazing the tory party have survived .....

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powerstroke said:

That mischivous old st should wind his neck in !! along with that Mong Major and the fkwit Clark... jesus its amazing the tory party have survived .....

The Tory party has "survived" precisely because it's moved closer to what Clark and Major represented. I.e towards the centre. The Nasty Party was unelectable for 13 years.

[Thorodin]

Axionknight said:

Are you talking about the Tory Party when they start squabbling about MPs being allowed to campaign for out?

Er..no. Thread about UKIP.

[Zod]

Poor Carswell must be wishing he could go back in time to August 2014.

Just the memory of the posts from the UKIP supporters on here in that period of August 2014 to May 2015, predicting many more Tory defections and, in the case of dandarez, a performance from UKIP in the GE that would shock us all, is enough to make me chuckle.

[Zod]

Thorodin said:

Axionknight said:

Are you talking about the Tory Party when they start squabbling about MPs being allowed to campaign for out?

Er..no. Thread about UKIP.

Yeah but what about.....?

That's the standard Kipper response.

[jjlynn27]

Zod said:

Yeah but what about.....?

That's the standard Kipper response.

So much so, that you'd think that they give out leaflet, with pictures and instructions how to 'defend' The Leader.

Still fun.

[Thorodin]

In all honesty, can't remember any TV interview or political discussion where Farage hasn't failed to trounce his challengers. Wherever your political alliances lie, there's no denying he's the only party official they've got that can hold his own. If he goes, and I doubt he will (he's so much more savvy than Carswell), it will fold or become even more irrelevant. Unless and until PR replaces F-P-Post.

[Axionknight]

Thorodin said:

Axionknight said:

Are you talking about the Tory Party when they start squabbling about MPs being allowed to campaign for out?

Er..no. Thread about UKIP.

Sorry, I just got confused after reading what you said - it sounded ever so much like the fate of the Tories. UKIP are pretty crap and rubbish without a doubt, I'm just making light of the Tories making themselves look the same over the EU question, which they undoubtably will.

Unless of course I'm wrong and Mr Cameron is going to provide us all with wide, sweeping and glorious reform, like many of his MPs want.

[Axionknight]

jjlynn27 said:

Zod said:

Yeah but what about.....?

That's the standard Kipper response.

So much so, that you'd think that they give out leaflet, with pictures and instructions how to 'defend' The Leader.

Still fun.

Do not speak ill of The Leader, Sir.

He is paramount and almighty.

[Axionknight]

Thorodin said:

In all honesty, can't remember any TV interview or political discussion where Farage hasn't failed to trounce his challengers. Wherever your political alliances lie, there's no denying he's the only party official they've got that can hold his own. If he goes, and I doubt he will (he's so much more savvy than Carswell), it will fold or become even more irrelevant. Unless and until PR replaces F-P-Post.

I still think some time out of the public eye and an attempt to give others within the party some time in the public eye to try and show they aren't a one man band would have helped though - we're five years away from a general election so media coverage is likely (and indeed has) to dwindle anyway, but having a few fresh faces out there won't hurt me thinks, short of a gaffe or f*ck up and we must surely be due something soon?

[Zod]

Some of the Kipper stalwarts seem to be missing. I'm assuming they got banned in the original migrants thread. Lovely people like HonestIago and NicD (the one who without a hint of irony called Farage something like "The Great Leader") have not posted since.

Go back and read Volume 2 of the UKIP thread, starting around page 380. It is very funny.

[Axionknight]

I've read it all - and was indeed a contributor to the thread, though not as prominent as those you mentioned.

[Funkycoldribena]

Zod said:

Some of the Kipper stalwarts seem to be missing. I'm assuming they got banned in the original migrants thread. Lovely people like HonestIago and NicD (the one who without a hint of irony called Farage something like "The Great Leader") have not posted since.

Go back and read Volume 2 of the UKIP thread, starting around page 380. It is very funny.

Nah,they got bored of your same old st.

[Zod]

Funkycoldribena said:

Zod said:

Some of the Kipper stalwarts seem to be missing. I'm assuming they got banned in the original migrants thread. Lovely people like HonestIago and NicD (the one who without a hint of irony called Farage something like "The Great Leader") have not posted since.

Go back and read Volume 2 of the UKIP thread, starting around page 380. It is very funny.

Nah,they got bored of your same old st.

After another two threads and thousands more posts? Try harder.

[Thorodin]

What he says, he says apparently sincerely (and strongly). But he thinks about what he doesn't say. Perfect politician : tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, tell 'em, tell 'em what you've told 'em, don't tell 'em everything. Like Cameron, he is a flim-flam salesman. Oi vey! So transparent!

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Thorodin said:

What he says, he says apparently sincerely (and strongly). But he thinks about what he doesn't say. Perfect politician : tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, tell 'em, tell 'em what you've told 'em, don't tell 'em everything. Like Cameron, he is a flim-flam salesman. Oi vey! So transparent!

the problem with that approach is the overtime for the plethora of cameras covering politicians these days sooner or later the end of contradict themselves.

the difference here is the over all the years of coverage of Mr Farage and his speeches the vast majority of the time he stuck by is rhetoric and even his opponents admit the most of the time he's views and predictions end up coming true.

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

the problem with that approach is the overtime for the plethora of cameras covering politicians these days sooner or later the end of contradict themselves.

the difference here is the over all the years of coverage of Mr Farage and his speeches the vast majority of the time he stuck by is rhetoric and even his opponents admit the most of the time he's views and predictions end up coming true.

Good lunch today then?

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Zod said:

Good lunch today then?

ohps! the risks of using speech to text function

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Scuffers said:

Thorodin said:

What he says, he says apparently sincerely (and strongly). But he thinks about what he doesn't say. Perfect politician : tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, tell 'em, tell 'em what you've told 'em, don't tell 'em everything. Like Cameron, he is a flim-flam salesman. Oi vey! So transparent!

the difference here is the over all the years of coverage of Mr Farage and his speeches the vast majority of the time he stuck by is rhetoric and even his opponents admit the most of the time he's views and predictions end up coming true.

The trouble is, whether you think Farage is the New Messiah or not (and the honourable member for Clacton appears to have his own view), the fact still remains that an electoral breakthrough has yet to happen. He might perform well on a rostrum but it increasingly appears that only the "converted" are listening.

Five attempts at a seat in the Commins - all failures
One MP, and a defector from the tory party at that who probably wishes by now he hadn't bothered
A decent number of local councillors, all busying themselves with getting the local dustbins emptied and the potholes repaired
UKIP "won" the European election that most people think is totally irrelevant to them, and on the usual piss-poor turnout that these things usually attract

Not, IMHO, a particularly impressive CV for a leader of a political party.

There are people on this thread who will now shoot me down in flames saying what a wonderful leader the man is. Personally, I couldn't give a toss whether he remains leader or not but, as the leader, it will probably ensure that UKIP never makes the breakthrough they are looking for.

Then again, I can't see anybody else in the limelight in the party who would be likely to do any better, with the possible exception of Suzanne Evans. But of course she upset the Glorious Leader not long ago and got sacked. And then unsacked. Anybody else see a pattern unique to UKIP here?