Douglas Carswell: UKIP needs a 'fresh face' as leader
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Politicians - sincerity? If the resign / not resign saga is the best example people can find to demonstrate NF's insincerity then perhaps someone could draw up a list showing all politicians' insincerity.
I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
Farage should stay on as something like a President/Chairman of the party. Surely anyone of an anti-EU disposition surely has to respect Farage for making it a mainstream respectable view but he's too divisive and too bombastic to run the party day to day. He is also perhaps too dominant a figure for the party at this stage of its development when it should be building a leadership structure, not being the Nigel Farage show.
Scuffers said:
tangerine_sedge said:
I agree, he was very clear about resigning after the election. Then very clear about not resigning after the election too.
and your being very clearly a Muppet spouting something you know is simply not that happened.this brings me on to another 'come the revolution' law:
Any Jurno knowingly publishing a lie (as in something that's not true) or deliberately and knowingly miss-representing something get a 3 month custodial sentence, along with his/her editor.
the sooner the press get back to reporting the news, not making it up the better.
So deluded!
Scuffers said:
and your being very clearly a Muppet spouting something you know is simply not that happened.
And this type of response is why any discussion on NF gets shutdown by devotees. Some people see it like a cult. Any criticism of Farage is anathema. The 'we are not going to employ family members, cause we don't stand for nepotism' but 'well my wife is the only person in UK that can do the job', together with 'resign/unresign' fiasco is why he is not honest. Things that he says count for nothing. Just imagine what would same people say if Miliband did the same thing.
Farage said about that he would resign, as it seemed impossible to him that he would not win. Compared to other candidates he had immense media coverage. Yet he failed. So then goes the famous; 'I'm the man of my word !'.
Back to DC spat; I don't know what to make of 'put up or shut up'. What does that even mean? DC clearly doesn't want to contest the leadership, not sure if he stated the reasons, but that shouldn't prevent him from voicing his opinion. To claim that he's the only one not happy with Farage's leadership is disingenuous attempt to prevent any debate.
alfie2244 said:
Politicians - sincerity? If the resign / not resign saga is the best example people can find to demonstrate NF's insincerity then perhaps someone could draw up a list showing all politicians' insincerity.
I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
So because Clegg lied that somehow makes Farage more honest? What an odd thing to say. I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
jjlynn27 said:
alfie2244 said:
Politicians - sincerity? If the resign / not resign saga is the best example people can find to demonstrate NF's insincerity then perhaps someone could draw up a list showing all politicians' insincerity.
I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
So because Clegg lied that somehow makes Farage more honest? What an odd thing to say. I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
alfie2244 said:
jjlynn27 said:
alfie2244 said:
Politicians - sincerity? If the resign / not resign saga is the best example people can find to demonstrate NF's insincerity then perhaps someone could draw up a list showing all politicians' insincerity.
I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
So because Clegg lied that somehow makes Farage more honest? What an odd thing to say. I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
I'll try to help you here; Do you, alfie2244, think that Nigel Farage is 'man of his word'?
jjlynn27 said:
alfie2244 said:
jjlynn27 said:
alfie2244 said:
Politicians - sincerity? If the resign / not resign saga is the best example people can find to demonstrate NF's insincerity then perhaps someone could draw up a list showing all politicians' insincerity.
I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
So because Clegg lied that somehow makes Farage more honest? What an odd thing to say. I'll start - "Cast iron guarantee", "Increased student fees" or hows about "WMD"??
I'll try to help you here; Do you, alfie2244, think that Nigel Farage is 'man of his word'?
jjlynn27 said:
And this type of response is why any discussion on NF gets shutdown by devotees. Some people see it like a cult. Any criticism of Farage is anathema.
talk about not being honest!You really need to go back and look at what actually happened, not what you seem to think.
If you want to criticise Farage for stuff, that's fine, just make sure it's stuff that he has actually done!
By repeating this bull, it's not suddenly going to become fact is it?
Greg66 said:
So deluded!
what is so wrong with publishing people for publishing lies?
Yes, there will be some 'grey' area's, but there are also some very black/white ones, and with a proper sanction out there for this, it would make jurno's have to actually think before they write total rubbish.
No, this is not an attack on freedom of the press, nothing like that, if the story is true, then report it.
This is all about the EU vote though isn't it? Farage thinks the way to win is to make it a vote on immigration, where as Carswell doesn't think that is the way to go.
The electoral system is very much rigged against smaller parties like UKIP and the Greens - they are under represented in parliament which is a shame. The problem both parties have is their only elected MP is not responsible for leading the party and also has differing views to many of the membership.
Farage is a figure that divides people and he will struggle to change that image without losing his 'authenticity'.... but really he needs to get himself elected to be seen as credible now.
The electoral system is very much rigged against smaller parties like UKIP and the Greens - they are under represented in parliament which is a shame. The problem both parties have is their only elected MP is not responsible for leading the party and also has differing views to many of the membership.
Farage is a figure that divides people and he will struggle to change that image without losing his 'authenticity'.... but really he needs to get himself elected to be seen as credible now.
Farage said, as ever, the right thing at the right time. That’s his knack, tuning in to popular feeling and exploiting it. Refreshing is that, not the usual gobbledygook bland meaningless waffle you get from nearly all other politicians. To the point, direct, in everyday language. Er, also, quite courageous. Not necessarily what you want as a PM but brilliant media food.
So far as sincerity goes, here’s another comedian’s well-known view on it:
“Sincerity – if you can fake that, you’ve got it made”. (George Burns)
Very apt on this occasion.
So far as sincerity goes, here’s another comedian’s well-known view on it:
“Sincerity – if you can fake that, you’ve got it made”. (George Burns)
Very apt on this occasion.
Scuffers said:
Greg66 said:
So deluded!
what is so wrong with publishing people for publishing lies?
Yes, there will be some 'grey' area's, but there are also some very black/white ones, and with a proper sanction out there for this, it would make jurno's have to actually think before they write total rubbish.
No, this is not an attack on freedom of the press, nothing like that, if the story is true, then report it.
The post you attacked was completely accurate.
And you'd like to put people who write things you don't like in prison! Brilliant!
Perhaps we can speed things up even more, and put people we don't like in prison.
Bagsy I go first.
I don't like YOU!
"Bailiffs, take Mr Scuffers down. 100 years in prison should rehabilitate him. Or not. I dont much care!"
Greg66 said:
You missed the point (no surprise there!). Farage said he would resign. Sincerely. Then Farage did resign. Sincerely. Then withdrew his resignation. Even more sincerely.
The post you attacked was completely accurate.
And you'd like to put people who write things you don't like in prison! Brilliant!
Perhaps we can speed things up even more, and put people we don't like in prison.
Bagsy I go first.
I don't like YOU!
"Bailiffs, take Mr Scuffers down. 100 years in prison should rehabilitate him. Or not. I dont much care!"
try again, that's not what happened.The post you attacked was completely accurate.
And you'd like to put people who write things you don't like in prison! Brilliant!
Perhaps we can speed things up even more, and put people we don't like in prison.
Bagsy I go first.
I don't like YOU!
"Bailiffs, take Mr Scuffers down. 100 years in prison should rehabilitate him. Or not. I dont much care!"
alfie2244 said:
After 9 months gestation and you are still popping out strawmen, I expected better from a pro troll like yourself. I did enjoy your earlier posts, but after a while they get very repetitive. Never mind, with a bit of luck, it will snow soon and you will be able to build snowmen instead.
Very true, but is the Farage liar or honest man?Scuffers said:
try again, that's not what happened.
You know what? I'm not going to play the "show Scuffers up again" game this time. I really can't be bothered to dig out the links for you either (a) not to read them properly (for which you have form); and/or (b) argue black is white (for which you have form); and/or (c) scuttle off into the rocks for a while then start off on some different point as if this didn't happen (for which you have form).
So stick with your Stalinist revision of history. I could not care less.
Scuffers said:
Greg66 said:
You missed the point (no surprise there!). Farage said he would resign. Sincerely. Then Farage did resign. Sincerely. Then withdrew his resignation. Even more sincerely.
The post you attacked was completely accurate.
And you'd like to put people who write things you don't like in prison! Brilliant!
Perhaps we can speed things up even more, and put people we don't like in prison.
Bagsy I go first.
I don't like YOU!
"Bailiffs, take Mr Scuffers down. 100 years in prison should rehabilitate him. Or not. I dont much care!"
try again, that's not what happened.The post you attacked was completely accurate.
And you'd like to put people who write things you don't like in prison! Brilliant!
Perhaps we can speed things up even more, and put people we don't like in prison.
Bagsy I go first.
I don't like YOU!
"Bailiffs, take Mr Scuffers down. 100 years in prison should rehabilitate him. Or not. I dont much care!"
He didn't get elected.
He did tender his resignation.
UKIP National Executive Committee "refused to accept it"
So he withdrew his resignation.
This amounts to - he resigned and then didn't resign as I cannot see any way in which the NEC could've kept him on if he was going to stick to his word.
He's had his time in the spotlight - he hasn't got himself elected -
Time for a new leader who is less marmite.
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