Douglas Carswell: UKIP needs a 'fresh face' as leader

[Scuffers]

sorry my tablet made a bit of a mess of that

what I was trying to say is the EU has never taken no for an answer so what makes you think they're going to take no now?

[BlackLabel]

markh1973 said:

Scuffers said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Oh dear, UKIP are now so short of funds they seem to have asked the intern to produce and fact check their latest offering :

misleading bks

actually, that article has no more legitimacy than UKIP's broadcast.

the very first item kind of sets the tone, anybody that's actually watched the E for only the last 9 months must realise Turkey's membership is now top priority for them, 2020 is IMHO very plausible.

as we sit here today, NOBODY can say 100% either way, but I would suggest it's more than a 50/50, thus to claim it's misleading bks is itself, misleading bks.

Don't all EU members have to agree to new countries joining? Cyprus won't approve Turkey which would make their accession to the EU a non- starter.

Turkey won't get membership anytime soon however we will see visa-free travel for its citizens into the EU sooner rather than later. This was part of the EU-Turkey migration deal which was signed late last year. Add that to the preferential arrangements which come about from the EU-Turkey Customs Union and they will be EU members in all but name.

I do think that the UKIP ad was a mistake though - there is already enough to criticise the EU for without having to talk about hypothetical scenarios.

Edited by BlackLabel on Saturday 6th February 21:24

[tangerine_sedge]

Oh dear, a defection to labour....

here

[dandarez]

tangerine_sedge said:

Oh dear, a defection to labour....

here

Oh dear, do you spend all day trawling to find snippets to fit your agenda? The Hull Daily Mail!

How terribly sad.
You're probably the only person outside Hull (until now) who knows, or cares.

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

[don4l]

dandarez said:

Oh dear, do you spend all day trawling to find snippets to fit your agenda? The Hull Daily Mail!

How terribly sad.
You're probably the only person outside Hull (until now) who knows, or cares.

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

Hull Daily Mail said:

Cllr Barrett said he was hopeful that his application to join Labour would be accepted.

If the lefties that infest NP&E are to be believed, then UKIP members are all right wing facists.

Why would the Labour party accept such a person?

[rs1952]

dandarez said:

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

Whilst I agree with your last sentence (sorry dan, I know you don't feel comfortable if I agree with you ), the main point is that he has left UKIP. It proves the point to me that transferring one's allegiance, either as a politician or a voter to UKIP, is not the one way street that you and many others on PH have often assumed it to be.

There is nothing inherently good or bad here, just reality. UKIP is no more the "new dawn for the British political system" than the SDP was in the 1980s. Or the National Front was in the 1960s. Or Ozzie's lot was in the 1930s. And so on back into history.

Edited by rs1952 on Tuesday 16th February 21:31

[Zod]

don4l said:

dandarez said:

Oh dear, do you spend all day trawling to find snippets to fit your agenda? The Hull Daily Mail!

How terribly sad.
You're probably the only person outside Hull (until now) who knows, or cares.

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

Hull Daily Mail said:

Cllr Barrett said he was hopeful that his application to join Labour would be accepted.

If the lefties that infest NP&E are to be believed, then UKIP members are all right wing facists.

Why would the Labour party accept such a person?

as well you know, that is not the case; UKIP is a bizarre alliance of trade union-type, ex-Labourite, anti-immigration types and middle-England, old-fashioned, former Tory activist, anti-EU bids.

[dandarez]

rs1952 said:

dandarez said:

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

Whilst I agree with your last sentence (sorry dan, I know you don't feel comfortable if I agree with you ), the main point is that he has left UKIP. It proves the point to me that transferring one's allegiance, either as a politician or a voter to UKIP, is not the one way street that you and many others on PH have often assumed it to be.

There is nothing inherently good or bad here, just reality. UKIP is no more the "new dawn for the British political system" than the SDP was in the 1980s. Or the National Front was in the 1960s. Or Ozzie's lot was in the 1930s. And so on back into history.

Edited by rs1952 on Tuesday 16th February 21:31

Sorry for early hours reply. Sometimes work beckons at all hours for me.

Anyway, the real story here, is party politics aside, is that this bloke is useless. He won the 2014 Council Election, attended none, or very few full council meetings, and hardly any other council meetings. He thought his name would be in lights in the General Election (he did come 2nd) but the limelight soon passes. And his excuses were as bad, he had a day job to attend - which obviously he would have vacated had his dream of becoming a MP come true. So... what next? Ahh, resign! I'll be back in the limelight!

If Lab take him on I'll be surprised (then perhaps not). Also, shouldn't he resign and fight his seat again? Oh no, he's got 2 years left, he want's to be part of Labour ...the easy way.

As for the UKIP dawn gone. Who knows? I see the only person they asked earlier tonight (yesterday!) in response to Camoron's continuing and fruitless efforts in the land of the Gravy Train was the Labour leader ...uhh no, the Lib-Dem leader ...uhh no, the Green Party leader ...uhh no. Is there anyone else?
Yes, you've guessed who.
And what was his response on the efforts of Camoron?
'Gutless'. I'd think many more than just me would agree with that one word.

[dandarez]

Zod said:

don4l said:

dandarez said:

Oh dear, do you spend all day trawling to find snippets to fit your agenda? The Hull Daily Mail!

How terribly sad.
You're probably the only person outside Hull (until now) who knows, or cares.

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

Hull Daily Mail said:

Cllr Barrett said he was hopeful that his application to join Labour would be accepted.

If the lefties that infest NP&E are to be believed, then UKIP members are all right wing facists.

Why would the Labour party accept such a person?

as well you know, that is not the case; UKIP is a bizarre alliance of trade union-type, ex-Labourite, anti-immigration types and middle-England, old-fashioned, former Tory activist, anti-EU bids.

I do like a coherent answer.

Anyway Zod, thanks for keeping a kipper thread near the top. The point is to ignore it if you want it to go away.

But just like tangerine-sedge you can't, can you?

Nite, nite.

[FredClogs]

dandarez said:

Anyway, the real story here, is party politics aside, is that this bloke is useless.

Presumably why he joined UKIP in the first place, it's interesting to me the reasons he's given for leaving the party and if you follow that line to the UKIP activists that populate these forums it's not hard to see where he's coming from.

That's your cue to call me a name, puff out your chest and slap yourself on the back.

[Zod]

dandarez said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

dandarez said:

Oh dear, do you spend all day trawling to find snippets to fit your agenda? The Hull Daily Mail!

How terribly sad.
You're probably the only person outside Hull (until now) who knows, or cares.

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

Hull Daily Mail said:

Cllr Barrett said he was hopeful that his application to join Labour would be accepted.

If the lefties that infest NP&E are to be believed, then UKIP members are all right wing facists.

Why would the Labour party accept such a person?

as well you know, that is not the case; UKIP is a bizarre alliance of trade union-type, ex-Labourite, anti-immigration types and middle-England, old-fashioned, former Tory activist, anti-EU bids.

I do like a coherent answer.

Anyway Zod, thanks for keeping a kipper thread near the top. The point is to ignore it if you want it to go away.

But just like tangerine-sedge you can't, can you?

Nite, nite.

I know you struggle with complex sentences, but this one wasn't that difficult, so you should have been able to work it out. Perhaps the iPhone auto-correct of "bods" to "bids" confused you.

I don't ignore UKIP. UKIP amuses me, almost as much as UKIP's most ardent, reality-denying supporter, dandarez does.

[dandarez]

FredClogs said:

dandarez said:

Anyway, the real story here, is party politics aside, is that this bloke is useless.

Presumably why he joined UKIP in the first place, it's interesting to me the reasons he's given for leaving the party and if you follow that line to the UKIP activists that populate these forums it's not hard to see where he's coming from.

That's your cue to call me a name, puff out your chest and slap yourself on the back.

Ah, I thought this thread might be still near the top. Give me a second to get myself a coffee... (I'll be back!)

edit
Right.
Nah, not worth answering dutch boy (is that name-calling?). Carry on, keep calm.

Edited by dandarez on Wednesday 17th February 13:38

[dandarez]

Zod said:

dandarez said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

dandarez said:

Oh dear, do you spend all day trawling to find snippets to fit your agenda? The Hull Daily Mail!

How terribly sad.
You're probably the only person outside Hull (until now) who knows, or cares.

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

Hull Daily Mail said:

Cllr Barrett said he was hopeful that his application to join Labour would be accepted.

If the lefties that infest NP&E are to be believed, then UKIP members are all right wing facists.

Why would the Labour party accept such a person?

as well you know, that is not the case; UKIP is a bizarre alliance of trade union-type, ex-Labourite, anti-immigration types and middle-England, old-fashioned, former Tory activist, anti-EU bids.

I do like a coherent answer.

Anyway Zod, thanks for keeping a kipper thread near the top. The point is to ignore it if you want it to go away.

But just like tangerine-sedge you can't, can you?

Nite, nite.

I know you struggle with complex sentences, but this one wasn't that difficult, so you should have been able to work it out. Perhaps the iPhone auto-correct of "bods" to "bids" confused you.

I don't ignore UKIP. UKIP amuses me, almost as much as UKIP's most ardent, reality-denying supporter, dandarez does.

Now, unlike dutch boy, I'll answer Zoddy.

No, I don't struggle (at all) with complex sentences. I can't in my game. I use the technology that overrides simple, extremely basic errors like that one my friend, it's been here since the age of dawn (perhaps you'd like think about it? Please don't tax it on my behalf though!).

Mind you, to concur, I do confess to occasionally receiving a manuscript that looks like it's been prepared on an iPhone.

I'm so glad you don't ignore UKIP.
But I thought they no longer mattered according to you and your lot, you know, it was no more than a 'new dawn' which simply came ...and disappeared?

As for the accusation that I'm reality-denying.
Here is some reality.
Come on, remind me, are...
Lib-Dems now
i) Irrelevant or ii) Irrelevant?
Labour now
i) In disarray or ii) In disarray?
Tories now
i) Split or ii) Split?

Reality, eh?

[Zod]

dandarez said:

Zod said:

dandarez said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

dandarez said:

Oh dear, do you spend all day trawling to find snippets to fit your agenda? The Hull Daily Mail!

How terribly sad.
You're probably the only person outside Hull (until now) who knows, or cares.

And actually, you should have read the piece. I just did. He hasn't defected to Labour at all, he's hoping to, but by the look of his council attendances, and the comments section, he may have a little persuading to do!

Not quite the story you thought it was.

Hull Daily Mail said:

Cllr Barrett said he was hopeful that his application to join Labour would be accepted.

If the lefties that infest NP&E are to be believed, then UKIP members are all right wing facists.

Why would the Labour party accept such a person?

as well you know, that is not the case; UKIP is a bizarre alliance of trade union-type, ex-Labourite, anti-immigration types and middle-England, old-fashioned, former Tory activist, anti-EU bids.

I do like a coherent answer.

Anyway Zod, thanks for keeping a kipper thread near the top. The point is to ignore it if you want it to go away.

But just like tangerine-sedge you can't, can you?

Nite, nite.

I know you struggle with complex sentences, but this one wasn't that difficult, so you should have been able to work it out. Perhaps the iPhone auto-correct of "bods" to "bids" confused you.

I don't ignore UKIP. UKIP amuses me, almost as much as UKIP's most ardent, reality-denying supporter, dandarez does.

Now, unlike dutch boy, I'll answer Zoddy.

No, I don't struggle (at all) with complex sentences. I can't in my game. I use the technology that overrides simple, extremely basic errors like that one my friend, it's been here since the age of dawn (perhaps you'd like think about it? Please don't tax it on my behalf though!).

Mind you, to concur, I do confess to occasionally receiving a manuscript that looks like it's been prepared on an iPhone.

I'm so glad you don't ignore UKIP.
But I thought they no longer mattered according to you and your lot, you know, it was no more than a 'new dawn' which simply came ...and disappeared?

As for the accusation that I'm reality-denying.
Here is some reality.
Come on, remind me, are...
Lib-Dems now
i) Irrelevant or ii) Irrelevant?
Labour now
i) In disarray or ii) In disarray?
Tories now
i) Split or ii) Split?

Reality, eh?

LibDems - irrelevant

Labour - in disarray

Tories - at risk of a split (you can have even major policy disagreements without splitting)

UKIP - split - only MP at loggerheads with party leadership and party itself is an uneasy coalition of anti-immigrant ex-Labour and anti-EU ex-Tory.

[FredClogs]

Dutch boy?

I've had my fingers in a couple of dykes but that's as far as it went...

[tangerine_sedge]

I didnt see any other thread about this...

more ukip mirth

[dandarez]

FredClogs said:

Dutch boy?

I've had my fingers in a couple of dykes but that's as far as it went...

Cloggs, I'd rephrase that if I were you to eliminate any ambiguity!

[dandarez]

tangerine_sedge said:

I didnt see any other thread about this...

more ukip mirth

Blow me down satsuma, do you spend every minute of every hour searching, searching, searching...?

[Mr_B]

She will be on This Week later tonight for those Ukip obsessed.

[tangerine_sedge]

dandarez said:

tangerine_sedge said:

I didnt see any other thread about this...

more ukip mirth

Blow me down satsuma, do you spend every minute of every hour searching, searching, searching...?

Not at all, I'm just suprised that someone as high profile in UKIP as Suzanne Evans being sacked has not been discussed here. For a party that "some" claimed were going to take 20+ seats less than 12 months ago, I'm suprised that there has not been more interest in the party falling apart and becoming dominated by a single person...

Perhaps Farage will unsack her