Douglas Carswell: UKIP needs a 'fresh face' as leader

[DeanR32]

alfie2244 said:

jjlynn27 said:

All good. But what about Farage, is he 'a man of his word'?

Is he a politician?

Very much so.

I suppose you're a kipper, in which you'll defend him and make excuses for the bullst, or you see through it all and dislike him.

This thread is a perfect example

[jjlynn27]

steveT350C said:

Scuffers said:

Countdown said:

What about the statement that there were 7000 HIV cases, of which 60% were not British citizens? is that sufficient for you?

And how was he wrong?

Only this week there was something about this, basically saying the real numbers were much higher.

http://order-order.com/2015/04/03/nigel-farage-is-right-about-health-tourism/

Where does it say that 60% are not British citizens? As for the quality of the article itself I'll leave you with this pearl of wisdom; 'Hepatitis B is equally devastating as HIV'.

[Scuffers]

jjlynn27 said:

Where does it say that 60% are not British citizens? As for the quality of the article itself I'll leave you with this pearl of wisdom; 'Hepatitis B is equally devastating as HIV'.

It doesn't, it does say:

link said:

Of the 107,800 people estimated by Public Health England to be HIV positive an astonishing 59,300 are originally from Africa.

That's 55% are from Africa, so unless your suggesting that no others arrived from any other continent, i would suggest 60% is probably a little low.

So, want to pick another so called lie?

Edited by Scuffers on Saturday 19th December 18:32

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Lucas CAV said:

I was supporting Greg's post....

I'm sure you were, but in doing so, you actually highlight the basic problem with Greg's stance.

Accuracy Is important.

Is your "point" that Farage never actually resigned? If so, you'll no doubt agree that that makes him a bare faced liar:

Farage in his autobiography said:

It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat. What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?

Was I supposed to brief Ukip policy from the Westminster Arms? No – if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down.

Slice it any way you like, but your beloved Mr Farage is more slippery than a snake oil salesman doused in grease.

[Scuffers]

It's almost too sad to be pathetic....

Really?

[steveT350C]

jjlynn27 said:

'Hepatitis B is equally devastating as HIV'.

That is wrong... Hepatitis B is a much bigger global concern than HIV.

[dandarez]

Well, well. The efforts to be rid of Farage are not looking good for the anti.

Carswell to face Kipper Executive.

Interesting poll at the foot of Telegraph on Farage's future: greggy and lynny don't trip over yourselves to vote!
Mind you, there aren't enough anti-Kips on here to change it - 32 per cent saying he should go now, so huge maj saying he should not go now. AND in the main Tory rag.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1205...

I just wondered what their single MP had done since May and what we would miss should he be gone? Seems he may well have stayed a Tory. I can find bugger all he's done with the exception of calling for a new leader. Nah, he wouldn't be missed at all.

edit
Clacton's MP and his voting record. This parliament since May...
could easily have been a Tory voting.
well ...good riddance!

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11621/douglas_car...

Edited by dandarez on Saturday 19th December 19:28

[alfie2244]

Greg66 said:

Slice it any way you like, but your beloved Mr Farage is more slippery than a snake oil salesman doused in grease.

And CMD isn't?.

What puzzles, yet at the same time amuses, me is why so many of you are so vociferous in your continued, vitriolic attacks on what they consider to be a no hope political party with a no hope leader....go figure.

[RYH64E]

dandarez said:

Well, well. The efforts to be rid of Farage are not looking good for the anti.

I hope Farage stays, I think UKIP would be stronger without him, he's become a parody of himself and needs to go if UKIP are to evolve into something other than a single issue protest party. I hope he stays as leader of UKIP and I hope Corbyn stays as leader of the Labour Party, it gives the Tories an open goal at the next election.

[alfie2244]

DeanR32 said:

alfie2244 said:

jjlynn27 said:

All good. But what about Farage, is he 'a man of his word'?

Is he a politician?

Very much so.

other stuff......

In which case, as a cynic, I take the Diogenes view that there is no such thing as a 100% honest person.

[Scuffers]

RYH64E said:

I hope Farage stays, I think UKIP would be stronger without him, he's become a parody of himself and needs to go if UKIP are to evolve into something other than a single issue protest party. I hope he stays as leader of UKIP and I hope Corbyn stays as leader of the Labour Party, it gives the Tories an open goal at the next election.

It's only a single issue party to people that are clinically stupid.

Anybody with half a brain would realise that they have policies on many things not just exiting the EU.

[alfie2244]

RYH64E said:

I hope Farage stays, I think UKIP would be stronger without him, he's become a parody of himself and needs to go if UKIP are to evolve into something other than a single issue protest party. I hope he stays as leader of UKIP and I hope Corbyn stays as leader of the Labour Party, it gives the Tories an open goal at the next election.

The most sensible post from an anti NF / UKIP poster by far, and exactly the sort of response I would have expected from others.

[dandarez]

alfie2244 said:

Greg66 said:

Slice it any way you like, but your beloved Mr Farage is more slippery than a snake oil salesman doused in grease.

And CMD isn't?.

What puzzles, yet at the same time amuses, me is why so many of you are so vociferous in your continued, vitriolic attacks on what they consider to be a no hope political party with a no hope leader....go figure.

Nothing puzzling.
They have nothing better to do. I realise it's a time to be merry, but they seem to eat, sleep, drink and be constantly sozzled over Nigel - more so than any Kipper does.

He must 'really, really' get to them. Long may he continue at the helm if that's the case.

Bloody laughable.

[RYH64E]

Scuffers said:

RYH64E said:

I hope Farage stays, I think UKIP would be stronger without him, he's become a parody of himself and needs to go if UKIP are to evolve into something other than a single issue protest party. I hope he stays as leader of UKIP and I hope Corbyn stays as leader of the Labour Party, it gives the Tories an open goal at the next election.

It's only a single issue party to people that are clinically stupid.

Anybody with half a brain would realise that they have policies on many things not just exiting the EU.

The clue's in the name...

[don4l]

tangerine_sedge said:

GG89 said:

As politicians go I can't think of anyone that comes close to Farage in sincerity.

Yes, he works very hard at being sincere....

I don't think that he has to work at it at all.

Here is another conviction politician:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

Enjoy!

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Anybody with half a brain would realise that they have policies on many things not just exiting the EU.

That's why they appeal to you, isn't it?

[jjlynn27]

Scuffers said:

jjlynn27 said:

Where does it say that 60% are not British citizens? As for the quality of the article itself I'll leave you with this pearl of wisdom; 'Hepatitis B is equally devastating as HIV'.

It doesn't, it does say:

link said:

Of the 107,800 people estimated by Public Health England to be HIV positive an astonishing 59,300 are originally from Africa.

That's 55% are from Africa, so unless your suggesting that no others arrived from any other continent, i would suggest 60% is probably a little low.

So, want to pick another so called lie?

Edited by Scuffers on Saturday 19th December 18:32

Sure. But first I'd like you to show me workings to get to 59300. 'Originally from Africa' refers to 'Black-African ethnicity' in the study. Nothing to do with 'arrived'. The whole article is written by a moron for consumption by morons.

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

What puzzles, yet at the same time amuses, me is why so many of you are so vociferous in your continued, vitriolic attacks on what they consider to be a no hope political party with a no hope leader....go figure.

Think of it more as charity work. Trying to help those who have been sucked in.

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

RYH64E said:

I hope Farage stays, I think UKIP would be stronger without him, he's become a parody of himself and needs to go if UKIP are to evolve into something other than a single issue protest party. I hope he stays as leader of UKIP and I hope Corbyn stays as leader of the Labour Party, it gives the Tories an open goal at the next election.

The most sensible post from an anti NF / UKIP poster by far, and exactly the sort of response I would have expected from others.

Am I too late to say +1? "Mr" Farage (as the hardcore refer to him) is great as UKIP's leader. Serially unelectable, fixated, and quite happy to eclipse everyone else prepared to wear a UKIP rosette.

[alfie2244]

Greg66 said:

alfie2244 said:

What puzzles, yet at the same time amuses, me is why so many of you are so vociferous in your continued, vitriolic attacks on what they consider to be a no hope political party with a no hope leader....go figure.

Think of it more as charity work. Trying to help those who have been sucked in.

Ah bless.. what a very nice man you are....ever work for the AA?