Moderate Muslims
Discussion
AJS- said:
Why is it preposterous? Are these institutions above questioning?
Anyway there's no compulsion to sign anything but if your organisation can't agree to these basic principles then it should have an impact on how we deal with them.
eeerrmmm, come again? Why are you putting words in my mouth and engaging in a debate totally different to what I was alluding to? How bizarre!Anyway there's no compulsion to sign anything but if your organisation can't agree to these basic principles then it should have an impact on how we deal with them.
No one is asking anyone to SIGN anything. It is just an aspiration. Does it say anything that is not reasonable and moderate? This particular ‘declaration’ is tailored for the Muslim community and could help where there is doubt and suspicion as to what Islam stands for and the direction in which it seems to be going.
However its basic tenets are good for all as far as I am concerned. I would not wish to live in a society that did not aspire to these aims.
However its basic tenets are good for all as far as I am concerned. I would not wish to live in a society that did not aspire to these aims.
charlie7777 said:
No one is asking anyone to SIGN anything. It is just an aspiration. Does it say anything that is not reasonable and moderate? This particular ‘declaration’ is tailored for the Muslim community and could help where there is doubt and suspicion as to what Islam stands for and the direction in which it seems to be going.
However its basic tenets are good for all as far as I am concerned. I would not wish to live in a society that did not aspire to these aims.
Well help me out here: I have a neighbour from Kuwait whose wife wears a veil. He keeps changing cars every 3 months ( all posh cars ). He rents the property next door to me, and he's a student( so is his wife) in this country. All these elements should arouse some suspicion in me , but I am a bit naive perhaps because he smiles and says hello and he is very friendly ( which could constitute a good cover for something more sinister).However its basic tenets are good for all as far as I am concerned. I would not wish to live in a society that did not aspire to these aims.
Now I sleep well at night and so do all my English neighbours in the close where we live. Luckily I have some understanding of Islam, but for those in my neighbourhood who don't, what should they do? Shall we all sign a petition (tailored specifically for him) asking him for reassurance that he's a 'good Muslim' so we can all sleep better at night? He does not have to sign it, we just want him to aspire to it that's all! He could be back to Kuwait tomorrow and booby trap the whole neighbourhood before his flight! Help!
I don't see how that's putting words in your mouth. But I think we're talking at cross purposes.
I'm not saying we should go around shoving this in the faces of every Muslim and treating them as terrorists if they don't.
I would think an organisation like the MCB could make something like that part of being affiliated with it so that when people donate to an affiliated charity for Gaza they are buying clothes and food for people not guns and bombs. Or when tge government seeks advice from Muslim groups they know that these groups have committed to these values and are not jihadist fronts. When an organisation is not affiliated you can ask why.
I'm not saying we should go around shoving this in the faces of every Muslim and treating them as terrorists if they don't.
I would think an organisation like the MCB could make something like that part of being affiliated with it so that when people donate to an affiliated charity for Gaza they are buying clothes and food for people not guns and bombs. Or when tge government seeks advice from Muslim groups they know that these groups have committed to these values and are not jihadist fronts. When an organisation is not affiliated you can ask why.
allnighter said:
Well help me out here: I have a neighbour from Kuwait whose wife wears a veil. He keeps changing cars every 3 months ( all posh cars ). He rents the property next door to me, and he's a student( so is his wife) in this country. All these elements should arouse some suspicion in me , but I am a bit naive perhaps because he smiles and says hello and he is very friendly ( which could constitute a good cover for something more sinister).
Now I sleep well at night and so do all my English neighbours in the close where we live. Luckily I have some understanding of Islam, but for those in my neighbourhood who don't, what should they do? Shall we all sign a petition (tailored specifically for him) asking him for reassurance that he's a 'good Muslim' so we can all sleep better at night? He does not have to sign it, we just want him to aspire to it that's all! He could be back to Kuwait tomorrow and booby trap the whole neighbourhood before his flight! Help!
What are you on about? Why would your neighbour arouse suspicion? Help me out matey.Now I sleep well at night and so do all my English neighbours in the close where we live. Luckily I have some understanding of Islam, but for those in my neighbourhood who don't, what should they do? Shall we all sign a petition (tailored specifically for him) asking him for reassurance that he's a 'good Muslim' so we can all sleep better at night? He does not have to sign it, we just want him to aspire to it that's all! He could be back to Kuwait tomorrow and booby trap the whole neighbourhood before his flight! Help!
allnighter said:
charlie7777 said:
No one is asking anyone to SIGN anything. It is just an aspiration. Does it say anything that is not reasonable and moderate? This particular ‘declaration’ is tailored for the Muslim community and could help where there is doubt and suspicion as to what Islam stands for and the direction in which it seems to be going.
However its basic tenets are good for all as far as I am concerned. I would not wish to live in a society that did not aspire to these aims.
Well help me out here: I have a neighbour from Kuwait whose wife wears a veil. He keeps changing cars every 3 months ( all posh cars ). He rents the property next door to me, and he's a student( so is his wife) in this country. All these elements should arouse some suspicion in me , but I am a bit naive perhaps because he smiles and says hello and he is very friendly ( which could constitute a good cover for something more sinister).However its basic tenets are good for all as far as I am concerned. I would not wish to live in a society that did not aspire to these aims.
Now I sleep well at night and so do all my English neighbours in the close where we live. Luckily I have some understanding of Islam, but for those in my neighbourhood who don't, what should they do? Shall we all sign a petition (tailored specifically for him) asking him for reassurance that he's a 'good Muslim' so we can all sleep better at night? He does not have to sign it, we just want him to aspire to it that's all! He could be back to Kuwait tomorrow and booby trap the whole neighbourhood before his flight! Help!
Wear what you like in Kuwait from full veil (mostly the Bedouins) through to something rather short.
Al Sabah looks after his citizens rather well, including the Shia (oil).
Small country, small population. More Indian servants that Kuwaiti's. If they're good, the whole family stays for life with w/e's off and a free trip home every couple of years.
Non Kuwaiti's can become a citizens (not even the Bedouins) unlike the UK where everyone brings their mother post sham marriage.
Kuwaiti's love gambling in the London casino's so your man's change of car every few months is but chicken feed.
http://www.safat.ferraridealers.com/image/4fdec9d0...
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
allnighter said:
charlie7777 said:
No one is asking anyone to SIGN anything. It is just an aspiration. Does it say anything that is not reasonable and moderate? This particular ‘declaration’ is tailored for the Muslim community and could help where there is doubt and suspicion as to what Islam stands for and the direction in which it seems to be going.
However its basic tenets are good for all as far as I am concerned. I would not wish to live in a society that did not aspire to these aims.
Well help me out here: I have a neighbour from Kuwait whose wife wears a veil. He keeps changing cars every 3 months ( all posh cars ). He rents the property next door to me, and he's a student( so is his wife) in this country. All these elements should arouse some suspicion in me , but I am a bit naive perhaps because he smiles and says hello and he is very friendly ( which could constitute a good cover for something more sinister).However its basic tenets are good for all as far as I am concerned. I would not wish to live in a society that did not aspire to these aims.
Now I sleep well at night and so do all my English neighbours in the close where we live. Luckily I have some understanding of Islam, but for those in my neighbourhood who don't, what should they do? Shall we all sign a petition (tailored specifically for him) asking him for reassurance that he's a 'good Muslim' so we can all sleep better at night? He does not have to sign it, we just want him to aspire to it that's all! He could be back to Kuwait tomorrow and booby trap the whole neighbourhood before his flight! Help!
Wear what you like in Kuwait from full veil (mostly the Bedouins) through to something rather short.
Al Sabah looks after his citizens rather well, including the Shia (oil).
Small country, small population. More Indian servants that Kuwaiti's. If they're good, the whole family stays for life with w/e's off and a free trip home every couple of years.
Non Kuwaiti's can become a citizens (not even the Bedouins) unlike the UK where everyone brings their mother post sham marriage.
Kuwaiti's love gambling in the London casino's so your man's change of car every few months is but chicken feed.
http://www.safat.ferraridealers.com/image/4fdec9d0...
Phil
I know full well the lifestyle some Kuwaitis lead and my neighbour is very modest in comparaison. He is the nicest bloke you can ever meet (although hopeless at tightening his young son's bicycle stabilisers). I gave him as an example to matey above because he happened to be a Muslim. Knowing that Wahabbi chief financial backers come from that area I thought he would be the ideal candidate for our experiment with the aforementioned declaration, however ridiculous that might sound!
allnighter said:
Phil.
I know full well the lifestyle some Kuwaitis lead and my neighbour is very modest in comparaison. He is the nicest bloke you can ever meet (although hopeless at tightening his young son's bicycle stabilisers). I gave him as an example to matey above because he happened to be a Muslim. Knowing that Wahabbi chief financial backers come from that area I thought he would be the ideal candidate for our experiment with the aforementioned declaration, however ridiculous that might sound!
Most all are extremely nice.I know full well the lifestyle some Kuwaitis lead and my neighbour is very modest in comparaison. He is the nicest bloke you can ever meet (although hopeless at tightening his young son's bicycle stabilisers). I gave him as an example to matey above because he happened to be a Muslim. Knowing that Wahabbi chief financial backers come from that area I thought he would be the ideal candidate for our experiment with the aforementioned declaration, however ridiculous that might sound!
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
allnighter said:
Phil.
I know full well the lifestyle some Kuwaitis lead and my neighbour is very modest in comparaison. He is the nicest bloke you can ever meet (although hopeless at tightening his young son's bicycle stabilisers). I gave him as an example to matey above because he happened to be a Muslim. Knowing that Wahabbi chief financial backers come from that area I thought he would be the ideal candidate for our experiment with the aforementioned declaration, however ridiculous that might sound!
Most all are extremely nice.I know full well the lifestyle some Kuwaitis lead and my neighbour is very modest in comparaison. He is the nicest bloke you can ever meet (although hopeless at tightening his young son's bicycle stabilisers). I gave him as an example to matey above because he happened to be a Muslim. Knowing that Wahabbi chief financial backers come from that area I thought he would be the ideal candidate for our experiment with the aforementioned declaration, however ridiculous that might sound!
Phil
AJS, I hope you watched C4 tonight about radical Muslims. Radicals represented by one man and his dog or more accurately, one dog and his dog. And that's insulting dogs.
Hope you noticed that all the other Muslims were outraged by the radicals. Hopefully this demonstrates how much out on a limb these
s are, and how much anger most Muslims feel towards them.
Hope you noticed that all the other Muslims were outraged by the radicals. Hopefully this demonstrates how much out on a limb these
s are, and how much anger most Muslims feel towards them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35341256
However these are the retarded views of some, this poor brainwashed lad cut his own hand off for crying out loud, how twisted is that!
However these are the retarded views of some, this poor brainwashed lad cut his own hand off for crying out loud, how twisted is that!
gruffalo said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35341256
However these are the retarded views of some, this poor brainwashed lad cut his own hand off for crying out loud, how twisted is that!
That is sick, his life ruined.However these are the retarded views of some, this poor brainwashed lad cut his own hand off for crying out loud, how twisted is that!
Alpinestars said:
AJS, I hope you watched C4 tonight about radical Muslims. Radicals represented by one man and his dog or more accurately, one dog and his dog. And that's insulting dogs.
Hope you noticed that all the other Muslims were outraged by the radicals. Hopefully this demonstrates how much out on a limb theses are, and how much anger most Muslims feel towards them.
AJS wouldn't be happy if Anjem Choudry apologised for Isis himself, with a tear in the eye!Hope you noticed that all the other Muslims were outraged by the radicals. Hopefully this demonstrates how much out on a limb these
s are, and how much anger most Muslims feel towards them. Ill have to check this programme out on 4od. It won't tell me anything I don't already know I suspect (a
is a is a )The Jihadis next door
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Not sure if Channel 4's streaming is legally available internationally but I imagine the tech savvy and law indifferent could circumvent that.
I must confess to being surprised you're not Britain-based.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Not sure if Channel 4's streaming is legally available internationally but I imagine the tech savvy and law indifferent could circumvent that.
I must confess to being surprised you're not Britain-based.
Thanks. I'll get my tech-savvy law breaking hat on and give it a look later.
Been out of the UK for nearly 10 years. Living amongst them evil foreigners. I know what they think.
Dean, it's not about wanting anyone to apologise. It's about wanting to approach the problem of Islamic extremism more intelligently.
Been out of the UK for nearly 10 years. Living amongst them evil foreigners. I know what they think.
Dean, it's not about wanting anyone to apologise. It's about wanting to approach the problem of Islamic extremism more intelligently.
Well I just watched The Jihadis Next Door. Interesting but basically reinforces what I already thought. I suppose most such things do.
Yes the vocal opposition of some Muslims is good.
The impotence of the police and the apparent indifference of the vast majority of other people (Muslims and non Muslims alike) is less so.
The extremists themselves are a curious bunch. A mix of yobbery, frustration and blind faith. Probably mostly unopposed yobbery.
How someone can stand on a street in London and call for the implementation of sharia law or unveil an IS flag in Regents Park and not have people yelling at you? I would probably have to say something.
It's legally difficult for good reason to lock people up for what they say or believe, but I can't help but get the feeling that if you took out a handful of the real hardcore nutters their followers and recruits would evaporate pretty quickly.
It doesn't solve the wider problem though. Not all political Islamists are screaming death to infidels. Al Quaeda, Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood all oppose ISIS.
Yes the vocal opposition of some Muslims is good.
The impotence of the police and the apparent indifference of the vast majority of other people (Muslims and non Muslims alike) is less so.
The extremists themselves are a curious bunch. A mix of yobbery, frustration and blind faith. Probably mostly unopposed yobbery.
How someone can stand on a street in London and call for the implementation of sharia law or unveil an IS flag in Regents Park and not have people yelling at you? I would probably have to say something.
It's legally difficult for good reason to lock people up for what they say or believe, but I can't help but get the feeling that if you took out a handful of the real hardcore nutters their followers and recruits would evaporate pretty quickly.
It doesn't solve the wider problem though. Not all political Islamists are screaming death to infidels. Al Quaeda, Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood all oppose ISIS.
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