Moderate Muslims
Discussion
I'm quite warming to Tawfiq Hamid. I think I'll even buy his book.
"I was born a Muslim and lived all my life as a follower of Islam.
After the barbaric terrorist attacks done by the hands of my fellow Muslims everywhere on this globe, and after the too many violent acts by Islamists in many parts of the world, I feel responsible as a Muslim and as a human being to speak out and tell the truth to protect the world and Muslims as well from a coming catastrophe and war of civilizations.
I have to admit that our current Islamic teaching creates violence and hatred toward non-Muslims. We Muslims are the ones who need to change. Until now we have accepted polygamy, the beating of women by men, and killing those who convert from Islam to other religions.
We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the mosques.
What message do we convey to our children when we call the Jews “descendants of the pigs and monkeys”? [Yet, both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Ibrahim (Abraham)!] Is this a message of love and peace, or a message of hate?
I have been into [Christian] churches and [Jewish] synagogues where they were praying for Muslims. While all the time, we curse them, and teach our generations to call them “infidels”, and to hate them.
We immediately jump in a ‘knee jerk reflex’ to defend Prophet Mohammad when someone accuses him of being a pedophile while, at the same time, we are proud with the story in our Islamic books that he married a young girl seven years old [Aisha] when he was above 50 years old.
I am sad to say that many, if not most of us, rejoiced in happiness after September 11th and after many other terror attacks.
Muslims denounce these attacks to look good in front of the media, but we condone the Islamic terrorists and sympathise with their cause. Until now our ‘reputable’ top religious authorities have never issued a fatwa or religious statement to proclaim Bin Laden as an apostate, while an author, like Rushdie, was declared an apostate who should be killed according to Islamic Shari’a law just for writing a book criticizing Islam.
Muslims demonstrated to get more religious rights as we did in France to stop the ban on the hijab (head scarf), while we did not demonstrate with such passion and in such numbers against the terrorist murders. It is our absolute silence against the terrorists that gives the energy to these terrorists to continue doing their evil acts.
We Muslims need to stop blaming our problems on others or on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. As a matter of honesty, Israel is the only light of democracy, civilization, and human rights in the whole Middle East.
We kicked out the Jews with no compensation or mercy from most of the Arab countries to make them “Jews-free countries” while Israel accepted more than a million Arabs to live there, have their own nationality, and enjoy their rights as human beings. In Israel, women cannot be beaten legally by men, and any person can change his/her belief system with no fear of being killed by the Islamic law of ‘apostasy,’ while in our Islamic world people do not enjoy any of these rights.
I agree that the ‘Palestinians’ suffer, but they suffer because of their corrupt leaders and not because of Israel.
It is not common to see Arabs who live in Israel leaving to live in the Arab world. On the other hand, we used to see thousands of Palestinians going to work with happiness in Israel, its ‘enemy.’ If Israel treats Arabs badly as some people claim, surely we would have seen the opposite happening.
We Muslims need to admit our problems and face them. Only then we can treat them and start a new era to live in harmony with human mankind. Our religious leaders have to show a clear and very strong stand against polygamy, pedophilia, slavery, killing those who convert from Islam to other religions, beating of women by men, and declaring wars on non-Muslims to spread Islam.
Then, and only then, do we have the right to ask others to respect our religion. The time has come to stop our hypocrisy and say it openly: ‘We Muslims have to change ! "
"I was born a Muslim and lived all my life as a follower of Islam.
After the barbaric terrorist attacks done by the hands of my fellow Muslims everywhere on this globe, and after the too many violent acts by Islamists in many parts of the world, I feel responsible as a Muslim and as a human being to speak out and tell the truth to protect the world and Muslims as well from a coming catastrophe and war of civilizations.
I have to admit that our current Islamic teaching creates violence and hatred toward non-Muslims. We Muslims are the ones who need to change. Until now we have accepted polygamy, the beating of women by men, and killing those who convert from Islam to other religions.
We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the mosques.
What message do we convey to our children when we call the Jews “descendants of the pigs and monkeys”? [Yet, both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Ibrahim (Abraham)!] Is this a message of love and peace, or a message of hate?
I have been into [Christian] churches and [Jewish] synagogues where they were praying for Muslims. While all the time, we curse them, and teach our generations to call them “infidels”, and to hate them.
We immediately jump in a ‘knee jerk reflex’ to defend Prophet Mohammad when someone accuses him of being a pedophile while, at the same time, we are proud with the story in our Islamic books that he married a young girl seven years old [Aisha] when he was above 50 years old.
I am sad to say that many, if not most of us, rejoiced in happiness after September 11th and after many other terror attacks.
Muslims denounce these attacks to look good in front of the media, but we condone the Islamic terrorists and sympathise with their cause. Until now our ‘reputable’ top religious authorities have never issued a fatwa or religious statement to proclaim Bin Laden as an apostate, while an author, like Rushdie, was declared an apostate who should be killed according to Islamic Shari’a law just for writing a book criticizing Islam.
Muslims demonstrated to get more religious rights as we did in France to stop the ban on the hijab (head scarf), while we did not demonstrate with such passion and in such numbers against the terrorist murders. It is our absolute silence against the terrorists that gives the energy to these terrorists to continue doing their evil acts.
We Muslims need to stop blaming our problems on others or on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. As a matter of honesty, Israel is the only light of democracy, civilization, and human rights in the whole Middle East.
We kicked out the Jews with no compensation or mercy from most of the Arab countries to make them “Jews-free countries” while Israel accepted more than a million Arabs to live there, have their own nationality, and enjoy their rights as human beings. In Israel, women cannot be beaten legally by men, and any person can change his/her belief system with no fear of being killed by the Islamic law of ‘apostasy,’ while in our Islamic world people do not enjoy any of these rights.
I agree that the ‘Palestinians’ suffer, but they suffer because of their corrupt leaders and not because of Israel.
It is not common to see Arabs who live in Israel leaving to live in the Arab world. On the other hand, we used to see thousands of Palestinians going to work with happiness in Israel, its ‘enemy.’ If Israel treats Arabs badly as some people claim, surely we would have seen the opposite happening.
We Muslims need to admit our problems and face them. Only then we can treat them and start a new era to live in harmony with human mankind. Our religious leaders have to show a clear and very strong stand against polygamy, pedophilia, slavery, killing those who convert from Islam to other religions, beating of women by men, and declaring wars on non-Muslims to spread Islam.
Then, and only then, do we have the right to ask others to respect our religion. The time has come to stop our hypocrisy and say it openly: ‘We Muslims have to change ! "
Troubleatmill said:
I'm quite warming to Tawfiq Hamid. I think I'll even buy his book.
"I was born a Muslim and lived all my life as a follower of Islam.
After the barbaric terrorist attacks done by the hands of my fellow Muslims everywhere on this globe, and after the too many violent acts by Islamists in many parts of the world, I feel responsible as a Muslim and as a human being to speak out and tell the truth to protect the world and Muslims as well from a coming catastrophe and war of civilizations.
I have to admit that our current Islamic teaching creates violence and hatred toward non-Muslims. We Muslims are the ones who need to change. Until now we have accepted polygamy, the beating of women by men, and killing those who convert from Islam to other religions.
We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the mosques.
What message do we convey to our children when we call the Jews “descendants of the pigs and monkeys”? [Yet, both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Ibrahim (Abraham)!] Is this a message of love and peace, or a message of hate?
I have been into [Christian] churches and [Jewish] synagogues where they were praying for Muslims. While all the time, we curse them, and teach our generations to call them “infidels”, and to hate them.
We immediately jump in a ‘knee jerk reflex’ to defend Prophet Mohammad when someone accuses him of being a pedophile while, at the same time, we are proud with the story in our Islamic books that he married a young girl seven years old [Aisha] when he was above 50 years old.
I am sad to say that many, if not most of us, rejoiced in happiness after September 11th and after many other terror attacks.
Muslims denounce these attacks to look good in front of the media, but we condone the Islamic terrorists and sympathise with their cause. Until now our ‘reputable’ top religious authorities have never issued a fatwa or religious statement to proclaim Bin Laden as an apostate, while an author, like Rushdie, was declared an apostate who should be killed according to Islamic Shari’a law just for writing a book criticizing Islam.
Muslims demonstrated to get more religious rights as we did in France to stop the ban on the hijab (head scarf), while we did not demonstrate with such passion and in such numbers against the terrorist murders. It is our absolute silence against the terrorists that gives the energy to these terrorists to continue doing their evil acts.
We Muslims need to stop blaming our problems on others or on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. As a matter of honesty, Israel is the only light of democracy, civilization, and human rights in the whole Middle East.
We kicked out the Jews with no compensation or mercy from most of the Arab countries to make them “Jews-free countries” while Israel accepted more than a million Arabs to live there, have their own nationality, and enjoy their rights as human beings. In Israel, women cannot be beaten legally by men, and any person can change his/her belief system with no fear of being killed by the Islamic law of ‘apostasy,’ while in our Islamic world people do not enjoy any of these rights.
I agree that the ‘Palestinians’ suffer, but they suffer because of their corrupt leaders and not because of Israel.
It is not common to see Arabs who live in Israel leaving to live in the Arab world. On the other hand, we used to see thousands of Palestinians going to work with happiness in Israel, its ‘enemy.’ If Israel treats Arabs badly as some people claim, surely we would have seen the opposite happening.
We Muslims need to admit our problems and face them. Only then we can treat them and start a new era to live in harmony with human mankind. Our religious leaders have to show a clear and very strong stand against polygamy, pedophilia, slavery, killing those who convert from Islam to other religions, beating of women by men, and declaring wars on non-Muslims to spread Islam.
Then, and only then, do we have the right to ask others to respect our religion. The time has come to stop our hypocrisy and say it openly: ‘We Muslims have to change ! "
Muslims need to change, but TBH I lost him when he started stating falsehoods about:"I was born a Muslim and lived all my life as a follower of Islam.
After the barbaric terrorist attacks done by the hands of my fellow Muslims everywhere on this globe, and after the too many violent acts by Islamists in many parts of the world, I feel responsible as a Muslim and as a human being to speak out and tell the truth to protect the world and Muslims as well from a coming catastrophe and war of civilizations.
I have to admit that our current Islamic teaching creates violence and hatred toward non-Muslims. We Muslims are the ones who need to change. Until now we have accepted polygamy, the beating of women by men, and killing those who convert from Islam to other religions.
We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the mosques.
What message do we convey to our children when we call the Jews “descendants of the pigs and monkeys”? [Yet, both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Ibrahim (Abraham)!] Is this a message of love and peace, or a message of hate?
I have been into [Christian] churches and [Jewish] synagogues where they were praying for Muslims. While all the time, we curse them, and teach our generations to call them “infidels”, and to hate them.
We immediately jump in a ‘knee jerk reflex’ to defend Prophet Mohammad when someone accuses him of being a pedophile while, at the same time, we are proud with the story in our Islamic books that he married a young girl seven years old [Aisha] when he was above 50 years old.
I am sad to say that many, if not most of us, rejoiced in happiness after September 11th and after many other terror attacks.
Muslims denounce these attacks to look good in front of the media, but we condone the Islamic terrorists and sympathise with their cause. Until now our ‘reputable’ top religious authorities have never issued a fatwa or religious statement to proclaim Bin Laden as an apostate, while an author, like Rushdie, was declared an apostate who should be killed according to Islamic Shari’a law just for writing a book criticizing Islam.
Muslims demonstrated to get more religious rights as we did in France to stop the ban on the hijab (head scarf), while we did not demonstrate with such passion and in such numbers against the terrorist murders. It is our absolute silence against the terrorists that gives the energy to these terrorists to continue doing their evil acts.
We Muslims need to stop blaming our problems on others or on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. As a matter of honesty, Israel is the only light of democracy, civilization, and human rights in the whole Middle East.
We kicked out the Jews with no compensation or mercy from most of the Arab countries to make them “Jews-free countries” while Israel accepted more than a million Arabs to live there, have their own nationality, and enjoy their rights as human beings. In Israel, women cannot be beaten legally by men, and any person can change his/her belief system with no fear of being killed by the Islamic law of ‘apostasy,’ while in our Islamic world people do not enjoy any of these rights.
I agree that the ‘Palestinians’ suffer, but they suffer because of their corrupt leaders and not because of Israel.
It is not common to see Arabs who live in Israel leaving to live in the Arab world. On the other hand, we used to see thousands of Palestinians going to work with happiness in Israel, its ‘enemy.’ If Israel treats Arabs badly as some people claim, surely we would have seen the opposite happening.
We Muslims need to admit our problems and face them. Only then we can treat them and start a new era to live in harmony with human mankind. Our religious leaders have to show a clear and very strong stand against polygamy, pedophilia, slavery, killing those who convert from Islam to other religions, beating of women by men, and declaring wars on non-Muslims to spread Islam.
Then, and only then, do we have the right to ask others to respect our religion. The time has come to stop our hypocrisy and say it openly: ‘We Muslims have to change ! "
A/ Most Muslims rejoicing following the 9/11 attacks. I have yet to meet one single Muslim who was ecstatic about Bin Laden and his actions, and let's not forget many Muslims died when the twin towers collapsed.
B/ All the crap about Israel being the shining beacon of democracy in the region in view of the way it treats the Palestinians. Yeah right pull the other one!
Troubleatmill said:
I'm quite warming to Tawfiq Hamid. I think I'll even buy his book.
We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the mosques.
What message do we convey to our children when we call the Jews “descendants of the pigs and monkeys”? [Yet, both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Ibrahim (Abraham)!] Is this a message of love and peace, or a message of hate?
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Although I agree with some of what he is saying there. I have yet too go to a mosque where they curse (anyone) at friday prayers and I have never heard jews being referred to as that. They are actually people of the book and regarded as a section of our religion. Thats after 29 years as a muslim going to mosques nearly daily and all over the country. I agree there is a issue but the way he is talking about it is like its every mosque. Im going to do some research to find out where hes from and his local mosque. If that's what their spouting they need to be reported for inciting hate.We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the mosques.
What message do we convey to our children when we call the Jews “descendants of the pigs and monkeys”? [Yet, both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Ibrahim (Abraham)!] Is this a message of love and peace, or a message of hate?
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Genuine questions for triggerh4ppy, as you seem like a moderate muslim….
I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
Tsubaki said:
Genuine questions for triggerh4ppy, as you seem like a moderate muslim….
I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
why is that important all? They are certainly ridiculous as well as those christian.I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
80% of Muslim marriages are through sharia:
http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
Richyboy said:
80% of Muslim marriages are through sharia:
http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
So 80% of Muslim marriages in this country are polygamous? No.http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
A large proportion of marriages in this country are carried out under Catholic or CofE Canon Law or even Jewish laws. Shock!
Zod said:
Richyboy said:
80% of Muslim marriages are through sharia:
http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
So 80% of Muslim marriages in this country are polygamous? No.http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
A large proportion of marriages in this country are carried out under Catholic or CofE Canon Law or even Jewish laws. Shock!
WinstonWolf said:
Zod said:
Richyboy said:
80% of Muslim marriages are through sharia:
http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
So 80% of Muslim marriages in this country are polygamous? No.http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
A large proportion of marriages in this country are carried out under Catholic or CofE Canon Law or even Jewish laws. Shock!
I have no problem at all with some aspects of Sharia law - for example where Muslim weddings are concerned. Other parts of it are worrying and their use monitored/stopped where they are incompatible with the British legal system.
Other religions are allowed to practice their own law in the UK under these circumstances ( Jewish court, etc) so why not Muslims?
rscott said:
Other religions are allowed to practice their own law in the UK under these circumstances ( Jewish court, etc) so why not Muslims?
Why not? because they are wrong too. There should be one law in the country and there should be no religious laws and no religious schools. Rather than saying one is ok therefore they are all ok I say be rid of them all. 
I think sharia 'law' is a bit of a misleading term in this case. You can make any agreement for whatever reason you want provided it doesn't conflict with British law. You can't have your wife stoned to death or marry 3 other women.
As I understand it the problem with sharia courts (which applies to other religious courts too, though perhaps in most cases less so) is that people (usually women) face a lot of social pressure to use them and are seen as traitors if they use the mainstream legal system.
As I understand it the problem with sharia courts (which applies to other religious courts too, though perhaps in most cases less so) is that people (usually women) face a lot of social pressure to use them and are seen as traitors if they use the mainstream legal system.
WinstonWolf said:
Zod said:
Richyboy said:
80% of Muslim marriages are through sharia:
http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
So 80% of Muslim marriages in this country are polygamous? No.http://youtu.be/zOiIypnOuPo
Gives new meaning to the word moderate lol. Aging western populations integrating Muslim families having twenty kids or more, the future doesn't look good for infidels.
A large proportion of marriages in this country are carried out under Catholic or CofE Canon Law or even Jewish laws. Shock!
Are sharia court decisions legally binding in the UK? I didn't think they were.
The only "body" that has any legal power is the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal, which itself operates under the Arbitration Act so has no more legal power than say a bunch of us on PH.
Happy to be corrected.
The only "body" that has any legal power is the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal, which itself operates under the Arbitration Act so has no more legal power than say a bunch of us on PH.
Happy to be corrected.
Edited by Alpinestars on Tuesday 26th January 19:02
Tsubaki said:
Genuine questions for triggerh4ppy, as you seem like a moderate muslim….
I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
Keep in mind there are plenty of american (and perhaps UK) christians who don't believe in dinosaurs or evolution so it's not exactly an islam issue.I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Tsubaki said:
Genuine questions for triggerh4ppy, as you seem like a moderate muslim….
I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
Keep in mind there are plenty of american (and perhaps UK) christians who don't believe in dinosaurs or evolution so it's not exactly an islam issue.I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
Take a for instance... Moses parting of the red sea has been debated and some put it down to a strange tidal stuff..... and others as.... it is just a story.
But as a Muslim, do you genuinely believe Muhammed split the moon in two with his fingers? Or is it just a tale to spread the word?
Troubleatmill said:
While the narrative for Christianity creationism vs evolution is quite well known.. It is less known what the Islamic stance is.
Take a for instance... Moses parting of the red sea has been debated and some put it down to a strange tidal stuff..... and others as.... it is just a story.
But as a Muslim, do you genuinely believe Muhammed split the moon in two with his fingers? Or is it just a tale to spread the word?
I think many Muslims, including this chap don't believe that.Take a for instance... Moses parting of the red sea has been debated and some put it down to a strange tidal stuff..... and others as.... it is just a story.
But as a Muslim, do you genuinely believe Muhammed split the moon in two with his fingers? Or is it just a tale to spread the word?
rscott said:
Please don't presume to speak on behalf of other English people (like myself).
I have no problem at all with some aspects of Sharia law - for example where Muslim weddings are concerned. Other parts of it are worrying and their use monitored/stopped where they are incompatible with the British legal system.
Other religions are allowed to practice their own law in the UK under these circumstances ( Jewish court, etc) so why not Muslims?
I forgot, there probably is a tiny minority of English people who would accept Sharia in England I've just never encountered one of them in real life.I have no problem at all with some aspects of Sharia law - for example where Muslim weddings are concerned. Other parts of it are worrying and their use monitored/stopped where they are incompatible with the British legal system.
Other religions are allowed to practice their own law in the UK under these circumstances ( Jewish court, etc) so why not Muslims?
Troubleatmill said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Tsubaki said:
Genuine questions for triggerh4ppy, as you seem like a moderate muslim….
I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
Keep in mind there are plenty of american (and perhaps UK) christians who don't believe in dinosaurs or evolution so it's not exactly an islam issue.I know the muslim calendar differs somewhat from the Christian one, but how old is the earth according to your beliefs?
After having watched the interesting Attenborough documentary about the discovery of a largest, so far, dinosaur, dated at 1001.6 million years old, what are the muslim thoughts and beliefs regarding evolution?
Yes, we know that and if someone could point me to the ‘moderate christian, sikh, hindu, jew etc’ threads I’d happily ask the same question. But this is the moderate ‘muslim’ thread so it would be interesting to hear what the the Islamic stance is on these matters in the light of the last 200 years or so of scientific advance and research into cosmology and Palaeontology?
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