Car smashes into coffee shop
Discussion
MG CHRIS said:
This in just the last 2 weeks around by me south wales there has been 7 recorded crashes along the m4 one every day last week and the latest one this morning. Also 5 serious crashes within my town few fatalities too. The only reason these are being shown is its x-mas eve and there is naff all else to put out as news.
Try looking at the TfL roads Twitter feed, It's frightening the amount of collisions in London daily, although I am not at all surprised looking at the some of the poor driving standards in Londonanonymous said:
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What a load of b
ks you and others are talking. It's nothing to do with age, it's all to do with ability and capability and we know where the truth lies as far as at risk age groups go.Not being 70, but closer to it than you probably are, I'd be happy to undergo a basic fitness and ability test on an annual basis as long as those groups who cause most accidents are also obliged to.
Are you?
I would also be quite happy to see all 'old folk' who are deemed unfit or incapable to be taken off the road as long as, again, the same rules applied to everyone else. Might be an interesting exercise.
motco said:
Or a younger one with a bad heart. Nowhere is the driver said to be elderly.
The BBC report has changed in the past ten minutes but the earlier one did mention age and a possible heart attack although that came from a witness so take it as you will. Or it may have been the Newsshopper report that's changed and as I'm old I didn't post it quick enough.Edited by jagracer on Thursday 24th December 16:23
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Trevatanus said:
Bus into the front of a shop in Peterborough now.
What the hell is going on?
Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day.What the hell is going on?
Lets all run around in panic.
anonymous said:
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But remember, age has no bearing on just dropping down dead!My grandfather is that age, he still drives. The family don't really think he should be but he won't listen and there isn't anything wrong with him medically to have him stopped.
Still, when he does eventually wipe a load of people out it's good to know he has lots of support on here
Funkycoldribena said:
markcoznottz said:
Almost certainly be an auto. Most crashes involving 'elderly' drivers are automatics. Maybe a ban on over 70's driving them? It's much harder to crash in a manual.
Maybe going off on a tangent,but there's a reason some of the elderly drive autos,just see if you can guess why without going into ban this,ban that mode first.Funkycoldribena said:
markcoznottz said:
Almost certainly be an auto. Most crashes involving 'elderly' drivers are automatics. Maybe a ban on over 70's driving them? It's much harder to crash in a manual.
Maybe going off on a tangent,but there's a reason some of the elderly drive autos,just see if you can guess why without going into ban this,ban that mode first.anonymous said:
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Strange then, that the elderly, although their premiums do increase, still pay a fraction of what young drivers pay. Seems the whole insurance industry, who have years of statistics from millions of drivers, have got it wrong, and you with your copy of the Daily Mail and the odd story in the Camberley Gazette, have uncovered the truth! 
I know it is by no means a solution to the problem, but many cars now have collision mitigation which cuts powers and applies maximum braking. A 2004 wouldn't have had that though. ABS quickly became universal, and stability control is about to become European law, I can see that collision mitigation will also become universal before long. It is certainly easier to do that autonomous driving (which as an engineer and programmer, I have huge doubts about).
anonymous said:
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Where is the evidence that we need to? And evidence isn't the odd news story about some daft old biddy going the wrong way round the M25. By evidence I mean actual figures showing the elderly are responsible for more than their fair share of KSI accidents.Any steps we put in place must be in response to a proper evaluation of the likely effectiveness of those steps. So, before we start assessing the elderly, how about we re-assess the under 25s, say annually from when they pass their test until they hit 25. That I think would be an appropriate response to KSI statistics and might stand a change of making an positive impact on those figures.
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