Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
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scherzkeks said:
irocfan said:
ahhhh I remember - you're one of those. Anyone who doesn't agree with your worldview is either backwards or racist. Thanks for reminding us
Your brothers in arms in Wasungen are being investigated for their antics and the parade association has apologized about the hayseeds with their WWII tank. Stay strong little man, you are clearly suffering for your beliefs.
irocfan said:
IIRC the article stated that it was an ironic dig at those of the idiotic far right (in the same way the Charlie H does similar things)
The BBC piece cites unnamed "social media users" for this. Compelling. Meanwhile, the office of the public prosecutor is investigating the group under suspicion of sedition. And a cute aside, Tiger 142 was part of the 2nd SS Panzer Division/ Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler.
Keep on fighting, brother.
Edited by scherzkeks on Tuesday 9th February 14:02
scherzkeks said:
irocfan said:
IIRC the article stated that it was an ironic dig at those of the idiotic far right (in the same way the Charlie H does similar things)
The BBC piece cites unnamed "social media users" for this. Compelling. Meanwhile, the office of the public prosecutor is investigating the group under suspicion of sedition. And a cute aside, Tiger 142 was part of the 2nd SS Panzer Division/ Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler.
Keep on fighting, brother.
Edited by scherzkeks on Tuesday 9th February 14:02
k it, I broke the rule 
. <note to self> I must ignore the fkwits scherzkeks said:
And a cute aside, Tiger 142 was part of the 2nd SS Panzer Division/ Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler.
Keep on fighting, brother.
It was used by the regular German army and blown up by its crew after being disabled in North Africa by the British in 1943. Keep on fighting, brother.
The 2nd SS Panzer Division was "Das Reich".
Beati Dogu said:
It was used by the regular German army and blown up by its crew after being disabled in North Africa by the British in 1943.
The 2nd SS Panzer Division was "Das Reich".
Interesting. Some guy quoted at Zeit claims otherwise. LS A.H. is the 1st SS Panzer Division. The 2nd SS Panzer Division was "Das Reich".
http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016...
Beati Dogu said:
scherzkeks said:
And a cute aside, Tiger 142 was part of the 2nd SS Panzer Division/ Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler.
Keep on fighting, brother.
It was used by the regular German army and blown up by its crew after being disabled in North Africa by the British in 1943. Keep on fighting, brother.
The 2nd SS Panzer Division was "Das Reich".
http://www.tiif.de/thread.php?threadid=436
This whole affair reminds me of an old Vice piece where an NPD functionary tries to talk around the fact that the local NPD headquarters has a watch tower and a grill that says Happy Holocaust.
http://www.vice.com/de/video/die-neue-npd
http://www.vice.com/de/video/die-neue-npd
scherzkeks said:
Beati Dogu said:
It was used by the regular German army and blown up by its crew after being disabled in North Africa by the British in 1943.
The 2nd SS Panzer Division was "Das Reich".
Interesting. Some guy quoted at Zeit claims otherwise. LS A.H. is the 1st SS Panzer Division. The 2nd SS Panzer Division was "Das Reich".
http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016...
Mama Merkel under pressure from her allies at home.
guardian said:
Angela Merkel is struggling to contain a Bavarian rebellion against her handling of the refugee crisis, as the leader of the sister party to the German chancellor’s Christian Democrats accused her of pursuing a “rule of injustice”.
In highly unusual comments for a member of a governing coalition, Horst Seehofer, the head of the Christian Social Union (CSU) in Bavaria, told Passauer Neue Presse newspaper: “We don’t currently have a state of law and order. It is a rule of injustice.”
“Rule of injustice” (herrschaft des unrechts) is a loaded phrase in Germany, where it evokes the term unrechtsstaat, normally only used to describe dictatorships or oppressive regimes such as the German Democratic Republic (GDR).
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/bavarian-leader-horst-seehofer-lashes-out-merkels-handling-refugee-crisisIn highly unusual comments for a member of a governing coalition, Horst Seehofer, the head of the Christian Social Union (CSU) in Bavaria, told Passauer Neue Presse newspaper: “We don’t currently have a state of law and order. It is a rule of injustice.”
“Rule of injustice” (herrschaft des unrechts) is a loaded phrase in Germany, where it evokes the term unrechtsstaat, normally only used to describe dictatorships or oppressive regimes such as the German Democratic Republic (GDR).
AJS- said:
That's sheer insanity. This is simply an invasion.
One of my friends, the most liberal I know — the type who stood at the train station with a "welcome" banner — volunteers at a refugee camp.She talked to a group of 18 year old Moroccans who are perfectly aware that they have no chance of getting asylum here. They simply booked a flight from Agadir to Istanbul, threw away their passports and joined the lines of refugees to see what europe is like. They plan to stay as long as they can (until they are deported).
It was interesting to see her sentiment change over the last few weeks/months. Since her husband is a politician she called up the ministry of interior and told them that the flow of migrants needs to stop as soon as possible.
EricE said:
One of my friends, the most liberal I know — the type who stood at the train station with a "welcome" banner — volunteers at a refugee camp.
She talked to a group of 18 year old Moroccans who are perfectly aware that they have no chance of getting asylum here. They simply booked a flight from Agadir to Istanbul, threw away their passports and joined the lines of refugees to see what europe is like. They plan to stay as long as they can (until they are deported).
It was interesting to see her sentiment change over the last few weeks/months. Since her husband is a politician she called up the ministry of interior and told them that the flow of migrants needs to stop as soon as possible.
Sadly, as you say we and the Syrian refugees are both being exploited here.She talked to a group of 18 year old Moroccans who are perfectly aware that they have no chance of getting asylum here. They simply booked a flight from Agadir to Istanbul, threw away their passports and joined the lines of refugees to see what europe is like. They plan to stay as long as they can (until they are deported).
It was interesting to see her sentiment change over the last few weeks/months. Since her husband is a politician she called up the ministry of interior and told them that the flow of migrants needs to stop as soon as possible.
Unfortunately, whilst I hold a great many liberal views close to my heart - equality of age, gender, sexual orientation and race, along with the principal of helping refugees - there is a pradigm-shift here of unprecedented magnitude. Without management and control - and both are distinctly lacking on an EU-wide scale - we have chaos and without chaos we have lawlessness and if we allow that situation to develop, we begin to loose all that we hold dear about Western European life, including those core liberal values.
The debate and reaction thus far has been about as objective as taking children to a dogs rescue centre; there is no logic by which you can reason that they can only 'save' one animal and that several (at least) could not be brought back to the family home. We're not talking about humans facing certain termination here, fortunately, even for the genuine refugees, and there are alternatives, including setting up safe camps and zones outside of the EU, but there is almost no end of people from poor, developing nations who would not want to follow last year's migrants into the EU if the situation is not managed.
Digga said:
EricE said:
One of my friends, the most liberal I know — the type who stood at the train station with a "welcome" banner — volunteers at a refugee camp.
She talked to a group of 18 year old Moroccans who are perfectly aware that they have no chance of getting asylum here. They simply booked a flight from Agadir to Istanbul, threw away their passports and joined the lines of refugees to see what europe is like. They plan to stay as long as they can (until they are deported).
It was interesting to see her sentiment change over the last few weeks/months. Since her husband is a politician she called up the ministry of interior and told them that the flow of migrants needs to stop as soon as possible.
Sadly, as you say we and the Syrian refugees are both being exploited here.She talked to a group of 18 year old Moroccans who are perfectly aware that they have no chance of getting asylum here. They simply booked a flight from Agadir to Istanbul, threw away their passports and joined the lines of refugees to see what europe is like. They plan to stay as long as they can (until they are deported).
It was interesting to see her sentiment change over the last few weeks/months. Since her husband is a politician she called up the ministry of interior and told them that the flow of migrants needs to stop as soon as possible.
Unfortunately, whilst I hold a great many liberal views close to my heart - equality of age, gender, sexual orientation and race, along with the principal of helping refugees - there is a pradigm-shift here of unprecedented magnitude. Without management and control - and both are distinctly lacking on an EU-wide scale - we have chaos and without chaos we have lawlessness and if we allow that situation to develop, we begin to loose all that we hold dear about Western European life, including those core liberal values.
The debate and reaction thus far has been about as objective as taking children to a dogs rescue centre; there is no logic by which you can reason that they can only 'save' one animal and that several (at least) could not be brought back to the family home. We're not talking about humans facing certain termination here, fortunately, even for the genuine refugees, and there are alternatives, including setting up safe camps and zones outside of the EU, but there is almost no end of people from poor, developing nations who would not want to follow last year's migrants into the EU if the situation is not managed.
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