Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
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myvision said:
don't worry the usual apologists will be along shortly to explain why this is total b
ks - be interesting to hear their take on mattersMothersruin said:
Garmisch is/was gorgeous.
I'd be livid if I were a local.
Such a shame
Merkel should hang.
Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail. We were there just over a month ago and I'm wondering how I managed to get out alive!I'd be livid if I were a local.
Such a shame
Merkel should hang.
It is, frankly, a load of sensationalist, badly translated and reported, bulls
te.Garmisch is still a very lovely, safe, traditional town. The biggest danger there is being sat next to a loud American family for dinner!
irocfan said:
myvision said:
don't worry the usual apologists will be along shortly to explain why this is total bks - be interesting to hear their take on mattersTrabi601 said:
irocfan said:
myvision said:
don't worry the usual apologists will be along shortly to explain why this is total bks - be interesting to hear their take on matters
In all honesty though I am curious to see where some of these stories come from. irocfan said:
no worries chap - I was stirring a little In all honesty though I am curious to see where some of these stories come from.
If you read the detail, it appears there is some trouble within the refugee camps - having seen the camp in Dresden, it is self-contained and refugees aren't allowed out to wander the streets. In all honesty though I am curious to see where some of these stories come from. Keeping a whole load of people from different tribes, countries, religious denominations, all together in a confined space, where they don't know what's happening to their families is bound to create tensions.
The story has been manipulated to make it sound like there are running battles on the streets. There aren't! - I was quite surprised when my hotel (Atlas Posthotel) was owned by Turkish / Syrian (I'm guessing here, though!) Muslims - but they have owned it for years and have more hotel businesses across Germany, too. If anything, Garmish is a great example of German cultural integration.
Trabi601 said:
irocfan said:
myvision said:
don't worry the usual apologists will be along shortly to explain why this is total bks - be interesting to hear their take on mattersThe German press seem to corroborate the story, the chances are that's where the story originated.
http://www.merkur.de/
don'tbesilly said:
Are you sure?
The German press seem to corroborate the story, the chances are that's where the story originated.
http://www.merkur.de/
As I say, we were there around 6 weeks ago - wandering around between restaurants and bars through to the small hours. It was just as it has always been! Full of rich North American tourists. The biggest outrage for me is that they'd bought all the Bavarian hats in my size...The German press seem to corroborate the story, the chances are that's where the story originated.
http://www.merkur.de/
Trabi601 said:
don'tbesilly said:
Are you sure?
The German press seem to corroborate the story, the chances are that's where the story originated.
http://www.merkur.de/
As I say, we were there around 6 weeks ago - wandering around between restaurants and bars through to the small hours. It was just as it has always been! Full of rich North American tourists. The biggest outrage for me is that they'd bought all the Bavarian hats in my size...The German press seem to corroborate the story, the chances are that's where the story originated.
http://www.merkur.de/
Mr GrimNasty said:
Funny how every post from Trabi is along the lines of no trouble there, nothing to see, all a perfect paradise, all the stories are made up.
Total fantasist in denial.
Yeah i've noticed this too. It seems to be the standard German mindset. The people who were worried about Germany who i met, were just as afraid of their fellow countrymen painting them as nazi's for honest concerns with no prejudices, as they were the various unmentionables causing serious problems. Total fantasist in denial.
MrBrightSi said:
Yeah i've noticed this too. It seems to be the standard German mindset. The people who were worried about Germany who i met, were just as afraid of their fellow countrymen painting them as nazi's for honest concerns with no prejudices, as they were the various unmentionables causing serious problems.
You appear to be assuming I'm a German, rather than someone who spent just short of 2 weeks on holiday there recently. Someone who went to Berlin to run the 25km race last year, too.In fact, I've spent a lot of time touring Germany in the car / on the bike over the last few years and have yet to witness any of the sensationalist headline behaviour being reported by the Daily Mail.
Some of the run-down ex Eastern Bloc housing estates can feel a little precarious, but at all other times I've felt like it was a very safe country. It's the ex Eastern Bloc drunks and drug addicts who are the real problem in certain cities, not the immigrants.
I experienced a completely different story. I lived near Chemnitz for 3 months last year and visited again this year for 6 weeks and stay with very good friends. It's the former GDR states that to me represent decent German people, even the drunks who you were afraid of said hello to you and were no threat.
The groups of MENA men in places like leipzig/paderborn/chemnitz were the dicks, dealing drugs, assaulting and robbing people. This was the stuff that was reported in the short time i was there. The various swimming pool assaults or politicians telling children and parents that it's probably best for them to change their kids clothes, not that the people who are now here have insane views. Why do you think they have segregated refugee centers for christians/women/children/gays.
The groups of MENA men in places like leipzig/paderborn/chemnitz were the dicks, dealing drugs, assaulting and robbing people. This was the stuff that was reported in the short time i was there. The various swimming pool assaults or politicians telling children and parents that it's probably best for them to change their kids clothes, not that the people who are now here have insane views. Why do you think they have segregated refugee centers for christians/women/children/gays.
They must have killed me, robbed me and raped me dozens of times without me knowing it, then!
Seriously, I think you're seeing what you want to see, interpreting things in the way you want to interpret them.
There's a very real issue with Eastern Bloc drunks in the more run-down parts of the bigger ex-DDR towns - some areas around Alexanderplatz in Berlin are quite intimidating places to go - yet there aren't any immigrants hanging around there (aside from ex-Soviets!).
We may have to agree to disagree on this - but I will firmly stick to my guns on Garmish. It's still a very lovely place and the story being published is blown way out of proportion and contains many untrue allegations.
Seriously, I think you're seeing what you want to see, interpreting things in the way you want to interpret them.
There's a very real issue with Eastern Bloc drunks in the more run-down parts of the bigger ex-DDR towns - some areas around Alexanderplatz in Berlin are quite intimidating places to go - yet there aren't any immigrants hanging around there (aside from ex-Soviets!).
We may have to agree to disagree on this - but I will firmly stick to my guns on Garmish. It's still a very lovely place and the story being published is blown way out of proportion and contains many untrue allegations.
Edited by Trabi601 on Monday 17th October 08:26
Mr GrimNasty said:
Funny how every post from Trabi is along the lines of no trouble there, nothing to see, all a perfect paradise, all the stories are made up.
Total fantasist in denial.
funny how every post saying "it's hell on earth, hordes of muslamic criminals rampaging through rivers of blood" is from someone who doesn't actually live in Germany, they just went on a business trip to Frankfurt Messe onceTotal fantasist in denial.
I was there Garmisch in August, and I was not raped or attacked either.
However it wasn't much different from driving along Commercial Road in Tower Hamlets - I was shocked by the sheer volume of Muslims there you expect to see them in inner city areas but not in small mountain towns.
The scenery was lovely but I certainly would not want to live there.
However it wasn't much different from driving along Commercial Road in Tower Hamlets - I was shocked by the sheer volume of Muslims there you expect to see them in inner city areas but not in small mountain towns.
The scenery was lovely but I certainly would not want to live there.
del mar said:
I was there Garmisch in August, and I was not raped or attacked either.
However it wasn't much different from driving along Commercial Road in Tower Hamlets - I was shocked by the sheer volume of Muslims there you expect to see them in inner city areas but not in small mountain towns.
The scenery was lovely but I certainly would not want to live there.
How can you tell they are Muslim just by looking at them out of interest?However it wasn't much different from driving along Commercial Road in Tower Hamlets - I was shocked by the sheer volume of Muslims there you expect to see them in inner city areas but not in small mountain towns.
The scenery was lovely but I certainly would not want to live there.
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