Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

[Pesty]

Can we talk about Bulgaria? Next stop here or Germany anyway


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MNY59jQ2mfw

[MikeT66]

eyebeebe said:

Mothersruin said:

You should try Zurich station, they have Fragrants. Nice smelling tramps...

Living in Zürich, it's always a shock to the system when I visit Manchester! I think I see a beggar twice a year in Zürich and I'm convinced they aren't homeless.

Eh? Beggars in Manchester? That's how the locals dress here, eyebeebe.

Pesty said:

Can we talk about Bulgaria? Next stop here or Germany anyway

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MNY59jQ2mfw

Ah, those damned ungrateful women and children again, I see.

[BlackLabel]

A german intelligence officer secretly converts to Islam and plots a bomb attack on the spy HQ "in the name of Allah".

Sounds like he's been watching too much Homeland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/29/german-...

http://www.dw.com/en/german-domestic-spy-agency-fi...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ger...

[Digga]

BlackLabel said:

A german intelligence officer secretly converts to Islam and plots a bomb attack on the spy HQ "in the name of Allah".

Sounds like he's been watching too much Homeland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/29/german-...

http://www.dw.com/en/german-domestic-spy-agency-fi...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ger...

Nothing to see here.

Telegraph article said:

The BfV estimates there are about 40,000 Islamists in Germany...

[The Don of Croy]

Radio 4 had quite a balanced piece from Germany this am (around 07:15 if you catch it on iPlayer).

Spoke to small town mayor who has been assaulted - by one of his German neighbours - for expressing a wish to help refugees. Also to one of the founders of the Freedom Party (a Dr.) who spoke of the danger of losing the Christian heritage of their country.

Only a very brief snapshot.

[Hugo a Gogo]

another Christian who doesn't know what the word means, perhaps

[Tom Logan]

Hugo a Gogo said:

another Christian who doesn't know what the word means, perhaps

It means the same as the names of all imaginary friend followers - demented.

[Hugh Jarse]

Tom Logan said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

another Christian who doesn't know what the word means, perhaps

It means the same as the names of all imaginary friend followers - demented.

Christian values of tolerance, generosity and forgiveness can create a great society. Most of jesus's teachings are quite pragmatic.

[Mothersruin]

Hugh Jarse said:

Tom Logan said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

another Christian who doesn't know what the word means, perhaps

It means the same as the names of all imaginary friend followers - demented.

Christian values of tolerance, generosity and forgiveness can create a great society. Most of jesus's teachings are quite pragmatic.

Most of the committee that decided what should be in the bible for effective crowd control decided on pragmatic direction and sensibilities?

[rovermorris999]

Apart from the having the no other gods and false idols bits, the ten commandments are a reasonable set of guidelines for a decent life so I'm comfortable living a society based on Judaeo-Christian foundations. Compare and contrast with most other belief systems around the world. The trend to secularism is fine as long as we don't lose the basics of being a decent human being which the basic Christian guidelines for treating our fellow humans are a good place to start.
If it makes any difference, I'm an atheist.

[BlackLabel]

Merkel is in election mode as she calls for a ban on the veil and says she's worried about integration.

Angela Merkel has called for a burqa ban in Germany and said the refugee crisis “must never be repeated” while making her pitch for a fourth term as Chancellor. Addressing her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party, Ms Merkel said she would support a nationwide prohibition on Islamic veils covering the face. "The full-face veil is not acceptable in our country," she told delegates in Essen, sparking rapturous applause. "It should be banned, wherever it is legally possible."

[BlackLabel]

She's the last of this lot left standing, for how much longer I wonder? Assuming the German economy remains strong I guess there's a strong probability she'll win another term at the top.

[s3fella]

BlackLabel said:

Merkel is in election mode as she calls for a ban on the veil and says she's worried about integration.

Angela Merkel has called for a burqa ban in Germany and said the refugee crisis “must never be repeated” while making her pitch for a fourth term as Chancellor. Addressing her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party, Ms Merkel said she would support a nationwide prohibition on Islamic veils covering the face. "The full-face veil is not acceptable in our country," she told delegates in Essen, sparking rapturous applause. "It should be banned, wherever it is legally possible."

what sort of opens the doors to a couple of million of strangers THEN starts worrying about how they integrate!

[del mar]

BlackLabel said:

Merkel is in election mode as she calls for a ban on the veil and says she's worried about integration.

Angela Merkel has called for a burqa ban in Germany and said the refugee crisis “must never be repeated” while making her pitch for a fourth term as Chancellor. Addressing her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party, Ms Merkel said she would support a nationwide prohibition on Islamic veils covering the face. "The full-face veil is not acceptable in our country," she told delegates in Essen, sparking rapturous applause. "It should be banned, wherever it is legally possible."

Do we read into this that "wherever legally possible" does not mean in Germany ?

The BBC article says that the law wont allow a ban in public places.

Surely it was only last year that she came out with;

"Islam belongs to Germany"

"Germans should get used to seeing more Mosques than Churches"

Has Germany now reached the point of saying we are Supportive of Muslims and Islam but not chapters 2, 4 and 7 ?

That said if it is what the German people want, that is their choice.

[del mar]

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9461/germany-sh...

Sharia Patrols are not illegal.

Maybe not, but if you look at the segregation issues reported this week in the UK, it is not surprising that one thing leads to another.

You allow Sharia Patrols in a small town - they are not illegal.

The non Muslim population tire of being harassed when drinking alcohol, buying sausages and wearing clothes that may display a shoulder or knee.

The non muslim population moves away and the area becomes 90% plus Muslim.

We then start to raise concerns about segregation ?

Suggestions that the Government should introduces policies to entice non muslims back to the area.

Stephen Hawkins said we would probably not last another 1000 years - I would be surprised if we lasted that long !

[SpeckledJim]

rovermorris999 said:

Apart from the having the no other gods and false idols bits, the ten commandments are a reasonable set of guidelines for a decent life so I'm comfortable living a society based on Judaeo-Christian foundations. Compare and contrast with most other belief systems around the world. The trend to secularism is fine as long as we don't lose the basics of being a decent human being which the basic Christian guidelines for treating our fellow humans are a good place to start.
If it makes any difference, I'm an atheist.

Yeah, the Christians are determined to see women treated as equals. If only secular laws would stop slowing their progress down.

[irocfan]

del mar said:

BlackLabel said:

Merkel is in election mode as she calls for a ban on the veil and says she's worried about integration.

Angela Merkel has called for a burqa ban in Germany and said the refugee crisis “must never be repeated” while making her pitch for a fourth term as Chancellor. Addressing her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party, Ms Merkel said she would support a nationwide prohibition on Islamic veils covering the face. "The full-face veil is not acceptable in our country," she told delegates in Essen, sparking rapturous applause. "It should be banned, wherever it is legally possible."

Do we read into this that "wherever legally possible" does not mean in Germany ?

The BBC article says that the law wont allow a ban in public places.

Surely it was only last year that she came out with;

"Islam belongs to Germany"

"Germans should get used to seeing more Mosques than Churches"

Has Germany now reached the point of saying we are Supportive of Muslims and Islam but not chapters 2, 4 and 7 ?

That said if it is what the German people want, that is their choice.

I don't understand - now that Merkel is all for banning the burka does that mean she racist and sexist?

[rovermorris999]

SpeckledJim said:

Yeah, the Christians are determined to see women treated as equals. If only secular laws would stop slowing their progress down.

Typical PH. I never mentioned Christians as being wonderful. Merely that most of the basic tenets, not killing, stealing etc, are not bad rules by which to live. That's all.

[JMGS4]

s3fella said:

what sort of opens the doors to a couple of million of strangers THEN starts worrying about how they integrate!

Same sort of idiot like bLIAR, Corbyn and co.... feckin dreamers the lot of them!

[Gargamel]

SpeckledJim said:

Yeah, the Christians are determined to see women treated as equals. If only secular laws would stop slowing their progress down.

Hmm not sure what your point is here, The Church of England has Female Priests and Bishops ? I don't think you could say modern Christianity has a huge problem with equality.