Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
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Hugo a Gogo said:
what are you talking about then, close the EU borders, scrap Schengen, etc? over this mindless thug action, as horrible as it was
and then next week a Dortmund hooligan kicks another woman in Berlin, close the state borders! then someone from Neukölln kicks a woman from Schöneberg...
how secure are you prepared to make it?
You and I clearly fall on different sides of the fence, and neither will convince the other.and then next week a Dortmund hooligan kicks another woman in Berlin, close the state borders! then someone from Neukölln kicks a woman from Schöneberg...
how secure are you prepared to make it?
I cant see any logic for taking in 1 million people from countries that have a significantly differently culture and belief system from your own, without knowing a single thing about any of them.
del mar said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
what are you talking about then, close the EU borders, scrap Schengen, etc? over this mindless thug action, as horrible as it was
and then next week a Dortmund hooligan kicks another woman in Berlin, close the state borders! then someone from Neukölln kicks a woman from Schöneberg...
how secure are you prepared to make it?
You and I clearly fall on different sides of the fence, and neither will convince the other.and then next week a Dortmund hooligan kicks another woman in Berlin, close the state borders! then someone from Neukölln kicks a woman from Schöneberg...
how secure are you prepared to make it?
I cant see any logic for taking in 1 million people from countries that have a significantly differently culture and belief system from your own, without knowing a single thing about any of them.
Hugo a Gogo said:
del mar said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
what are you talking about then, close the EU borders, scrap Schengen, etc? over this mindless thug action, as horrible as it was
and then next week a Dortmund hooligan kicks another woman in Berlin, close the state borders! then someone from Neukölln kicks a woman from Schöneberg...
how secure are you prepared to make it?
You and I clearly fall on different sides of the fence, and neither will convince the other.and then next week a Dortmund hooligan kicks another woman in Berlin, close the state borders! then someone from Neukölln kicks a woman from Schöneberg...
how secure are you prepared to make it?
I cant see any logic for taking in 1 million people from countries that have a significantly differently culture and belief system from your own, without knowing a single thing about any of them.
Or you can just accept del mar's obsession with immigrants, shrug your shoulders and let him peruse internet in order to enrage himself and start yet another thread on PH.
Hugo a Gogo said:
OK, I've reread it twice
what do the child killers and rapists have to do with this story? Because the scumbag was born in another country/state/region/town, he's part of the barbaric horde at the gates of civilisation?
and I'm the one being hysterical
(and by the way, over 4 million EU migrants live in Germany)
The way i read it is that Del Mar said that you could be a child killer/rapist/not a very nice person and Germany is just letting people in without doing the necessary background checking and as such, might get up to no good in Germany, that could have otherwise been prevented had they undertaken the checks (bit like former 'war-criminals' from the baltic states hiding under different names in the EU following the end of the Kosovo War).what do the child killers and rapists have to do with this story? Because the scumbag was born in another country/state/region/town, he's part of the barbaric horde at the gates of civilisation?
and I'm the one being hysterical
(and by the way, over 4 million EU migrants live in Germany)
Now ive read it that as your an EU migrant, youve taken this personally and blown it out of proportion as you see it as an attack on your goodself and other law abiding migrants.
nah, he's just getting asylum seekers and EU citizens mixed up
the EU fits most of the definitions of being one country, we don't stop (former) criminals moving around within each state, so we've no justification for not letting them move around state to state
at the end of the day, it's nasty, but it's not a massive story, just that it was caught on CCTV
if it happened outside a Blackpool nightclub or on a football terrace, no-one would here give a s
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the EU fits most of the definitions of being one country, we don't stop (former) criminals moving around within each state, so we've no justification for not letting them move around state to state
at the end of the day, it's nasty, but it's not a massive story, just that it was caught on CCTV
if it happened outside a Blackpool nightclub or on a football terrace, no-one would here give a s
tHugo a Gogo said:
nah, he's just getting asylum seekers and EU citizens mixed up
the EU fits most of the definitions of being one country, we don't stop (former) criminals moving around within each state, so we've no justification for not letting them move around state to state
at the end of the day, it's nasty, but it's not a massive story, just that it was caught on CCTV
if it happened outside a Blackpool nightclub or on a football terrace, no-one would here give a st
Will there ever be a point where you reconsider? Speaking theoretically. Would there ever be a red line you wouldn't see crossed for the sake of shengan?the EU fits most of the definitions of being one country, we don't stop (former) criminals moving around within each state, so we've no justification for not letting them move around state to state
at the end of the day, it's nasty, but it's not a massive story, just that it was caught on CCTV
if it happened outside a Blackpool nightclub or on a football terrace, no-one would here give a s
tNo, I don't think people from any one EU land are much more likely to be violent than another (highest stats in Europe is actually the UK) so I see no reason to block anyone
how small would you like your borders? would there be a point where you'd stop people crossing Welsh/English/Scots borders? County borders?
how small would you like your borders? would there be a point where you'd stop people crossing Welsh/English/Scots borders? County borders?
An interesting dicussion on Sky News re Germany's asylum and immigration policies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g0puWutlH0s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g0puWutlH0s
Jimboka said:
What do you have to do to be deported from Germany?
The chief suspect for the Berlin attricity . Failed asylum seeker, but given leave to remain. Had known contacts with terrorist groups. Using multiple names. Nuts..
Will be difficult for Merkel to survive this time..
Reported that he failed to get asylum, but Tunisia refused to accept him back, so he couldn't go anywhere...The chief suspect for the Berlin attricity . Failed asylum seeker, but given leave to remain. Had known contacts with terrorist groups. Using multiple names. Nuts..
Will be difficult for Merkel to survive this time..
rscott said:
Jimboka said:
What do you have to do to be deported from Germany?
The chief suspect for the Berlin attricity . Failed asylum seeker, but given leave to remain. Had known contacts with terrorist groups. Using multiple names. Nuts..
Will be difficult for Merkel to survive this time..
Reported that he failed to get asylum, but Tunisia refused to accept him back, so he couldn't go anywhere...The chief suspect for the Berlin attricity . Failed asylum seeker, but given leave to remain. Had known contacts with terrorist groups. Using multiple names. Nuts..
Will be difficult for Merkel to survive this time..
Finlandia said:
rscott said:
Jimboka said:
What do you have to do to be deported from Germany?
The chief suspect for the Berlin attricity . Failed asylum seeker, but given leave to remain. Had known contacts with terrorist groups. Using multiple names. Nuts..
Will be difficult for Merkel to survive this time..
Reported that he failed to get asylum, but Tunisia refused to accept him back, so he couldn't go anywhere...The chief suspect for the Berlin attricity . Failed asylum seeker, but given leave to remain. Had known contacts with terrorist groups. Using multiple names. Nuts..
Will be difficult for Merkel to survive this time..
rscott said:
Finlandia said:
rscott said:
Jimboka said:
What do you have to do to be deported from Germany?
The chief suspect for the Berlin attricity . Failed asylum seeker, but given leave to remain. Had known contacts with terrorist groups. Using multiple names. Nuts..
Will be difficult for Merkel to survive this time..
Reported that he failed to get asylum, but Tunisia refused to accept him back, so he couldn't go anywhere...The chief suspect for the Berlin attricity . Failed asylum seeker, but given leave to remain. Had known contacts with terrorist groups. Using multiple names. Nuts..
Will be difficult for Merkel to survive this time..
So where does that leave the "receiving" nation state? Wishing it had the ability to stop illegal entry and controls to refuse them entry in the first place.
If only some of these countries behaved like, well like us, don't know how lucky we are, what with our modern western democracies with good, honest governance, and modern processes, and they did the right thing like us, and these people didn't use our system against us, or be facilitated by some our, and some of our European, one world lawyering class with their political agendas.
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