Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
Discussion
Kawasicki said:
Tom Logan said:
paulrockliffe said:
Given where things are, this is a valid point of view. However, if the chap hadn't destroyed his papers he could have been deported. So why did he destroy his papers? Because he knew that without them it wouldn't matter whether his asylum claim was accepted or not.
If the policy was that failed asylum seekers were deported or detained indefinitely, papers wouldn't be lost. If overloaded boats in the med that are clearly not pleasure or fishing trips were returned to the coast rather than rescued and dropped in Italy, most of those boats wouldn't leave.
If the EU's border policy wasn't one that places all of the burden on states with borders and doesn't consider that those states aren't the ones that migrants want to end up in, the borders would be patrolled well enough that lost papers would keep people out and papers wouldn't be 'lost'
It's the fundamental decisions, policies and attitudes that lead to these specific issues and it's the fundamentals where solutions need to be applied, rather than looking at an individual case and concluding that nothing could have been done.
Spot on IMO.If the policy was that failed asylum seekers were deported or detained indefinitely, papers wouldn't be lost. If overloaded boats in the med that are clearly not pleasure or fishing trips were returned to the coast rather than rescued and dropped in Italy, most of those boats wouldn't leave.
If the EU's border policy wasn't one that places all of the burden on states with borders and doesn't consider that those states aren't the ones that migrants want to end up in, the borders would be patrolled well enough that lost papers would keep people out and papers wouldn't be 'lost'
It's the fundamental decisions, policies and attitudes that lead to these specific issues and it's the fundamentals where solutions need to be applied, rather than looking at an individual case and concluding that nothing could have been done.
If an asylum seeker chooses not to show his ID to the authorities and doesn't tell them where he came from where do they send him back to?
ZedLeg said:
Or every lunatic would be out on the streets beating up people who look vaguely like the suspect for the massive life changing reward.
But for €100k they wouldn't bother? €100k is bugger all to the people that may well be harbouring him, ie well funded terror cells. A few million though...... Kawasicki said:
Except he still had his Tunisian ID card.
If an asylum seeker chooses not to show his ID to the authorities and doesn't tell them where he came from where do they send him back to?
Therein lies the issue. Which is perhaps why they should not be allowed in in the first place?? don't need to worry about where to send him to then. If an asylum seeker chooses not to show his ID to the authorities and doesn't tell them where he came from where do they send him back to?
alfie2244 said:
SpeckledJim said:
rscott said:
BlackLabel said:
The German authorities have blood on their hands - despite this man's links to radical Islam, and his failed asylum claim they still failed to deport him - WTF!!
I wonder how many other likeminded individuals have taken advantage of Merkel's 'come on in, everyone's welcome' immigration policy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/berl...
Where were they supposed to send him back to - Tunisia refused to accept him.I wonder how many other likeminded individuals have taken advantage of Merkel's 'come on in, everyone's welcome' immigration policy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/berl...
There was a story about a Somalian who raped a swedish girl - he couldn't be sent home because he would be a threat to girls in Somalia !!
Germany invited them and Italy pick them up, what could possibly go wrong !!
s3fella said:
anonymous said:
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scherzkeks said:
Bodo said:
anonymous said:
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Das klingt sehr nach den Fäkalien eines männlichen Rinds.
thiskeks broadband doesn't reach his cellar? Edited by s3fella on Thursday 22 December 09:50
t. Plus a bloke told me he got mugged in Brixton once.Britain is f
ked since the tories got inLogic, innit
TonyToniTone said:
Tom Logan said:
I went to Rheydt (Munchengladbach) earlier this year visiting friends, I won't be going back either, Germany is now a fked up sthole.
The whole country? I am sure you won't be missed.ked up sthole.Didn't feel it was significantly different than in the past - did see a very large refugee camp in Dresden, though.
SpeckledJim said:
rscott said:
BlackLabel said:
The German authorities have blood on their hands - despite this man's links to radical Islam, and his failed asylum claim they still failed to deport him - WTF!!
I wonder how many other likeminded individuals have taken advantage of Merkel's 'come on in, everyone's welcome' immigration policy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/berl...
Where were they supposed to send him back to - Tunisia refused to accept him.I wonder how many other likeminded individuals have taken advantage of Merkel's 'come on in, everyone's welcome' immigration policy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/berl...
Of course this could be a negotiation in which case you might bribe Tunisia into to accepting him with aid, you can call it aid, like the EU did with Turkey, and illegals. But otherwise tough. These poor countries just don't act like nice western modern democracies. World is going to the dogs!
Northern Munkee said:
SpeckledJim said:
rscott said:
BlackLabel said:
The German authorities have blood on their hands - despite this man's links to radical Islam, and his failed asylum claim they still failed to deport him - WTF!!
I wonder how many other likeminded individuals have taken advantage of Merkel's 'come on in, everyone's welcome' immigration policy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/berl...
Where were they supposed to send him back to - Tunisia refused to accept him.I wonder how many other likeminded individuals have taken advantage of Merkel's 'come on in, everyone's welcome' immigration policy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/berl...
Of course this could be a negotiation in which case you might bribe Tunisia into to accepting him with aid, you can call it aid, like the EU did with Turkey, and illegals. But otherwise tough. These poor countries just don't act like nice western modern democracies. World is going to the dogs!
We used to be, as did Europe.
We've all been muzzled by history, apologists and political correctness.
You can't do good in the world from a position of weakness.
PRTVR said:
This morning on the news they were talking about the victims and they mentioned an Italian girl who is missing, she was at the market but has not been in touch, hope she was not taken hostage to make his escape easier, thinking a couple would blend in over a single male.
Have we seen the victims yet? When a bunch of psycho head choppers of childrens heads took a picture of a dusty boy to use as propaganda in order to stop people ending their psycho fun and games western media lapped it up and helped there Islamic jihad cause getting women and libs all in the feels.
Where are the daily pics of these victims large on the front pages. They should be shown to merkel and all our leaders daily. They have their blood on there hands
Pesty said:
rscott said:
Where were they supposed to send him back to - Tunisia refused to accept him.
Drop him on the beach its not hard.40,000 feet seems reasonable - plenty of time for him to make peace and consider the accomplishments of his life.
anonymous said:
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scherzkeks said:
Bodo said:
anonymous said:
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Das klingt sehr nach den Fäkalien eines männlichen Rinds.
Invite them in and then offer them a wad of cash to leave lol.
"The German government has budgeted more than €40 million (£35 million) to pay asylum seekers to voluntarily return to their home countries.
Migrants will be offered financial incentives of up to €1,200 (£1,000) each to leave Germany and withdraw their application for protection, with a lower amount of €800 (£700) if they choose to depart after being refused asylum."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ger...
"The German government has budgeted more than €40 million (£35 million) to pay asylum seekers to voluntarily return to their home countries.
Migrants will be offered financial incentives of up to €1,200 (£1,000) each to leave Germany and withdraw their application for protection, with a lower amount of €800 (£700) if they choose to depart after being refused asylum."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ger...
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