Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

[Mr_B]

irocfan said:

Mr_B said:

Zod said:

I'm not sure there are many who will argue against the deportation of asylum seekers who commit serious crimes.

Where you going to deport them to , back to a war zone country ?

if they're guilty of rape, murder, assault then yes. Why not? fk 'em

I don't much care what happens to them if convicted for things like sexually assault, I was questioning if Zod thought it reality that this would happen when we are talking about asylum seekers from Syria and war zone countries. I don't see the Home Office chartering a flight to dump people in Syria, the human rights brigade would be apocalyptic.
It sounded fine in theory, but that's only if you pretend not to know it wouldn't happen and the reality is they get to stay and spend the rest of their life being a waster and a drain on public resources. It seems to only reinforce the idea that if you are going to take people, selecting and screening from camps abroad is the least worst option.

[Budflicker]

Ok so clearly legal issues are going to prevent mass deportations from happening unless laws are passed to allow this, which won't happen as it seems the politicians want all this for whatever reason?

So unless we get new politicians nothings going to happen apart from nations having tensions and troubles between different groups and cultures, but maybe that's the big plan? Divide and conquer has worked for centuries, maybe this is just the new way to divide and subdue the population.

A divided populace has no cohesion to group together and rise up?

[andymadmak]

scherzkeks said:

andymadmak said:

Lastly it might be a good idea if those people who think that their view of "come one,come all" should prevail in the face of all evidence to the contrary,

There is no one in the thread who has taken that stance.

Really? I think people who utterly refuse to engage with the concerns that German people have regarding the behaviour of some migrants, and/or who argue that the 1m+ who came last year are almost all genuine refugees as opposed to a substantial portion being economic migrants, AND who label or insinuate people as being racist for suggesting that migrants were predominantly responsible for the NYE problems across Europe are precisely of the "come one, come all" mentality. For example there are posters on here who are adamant that people who are protesting about the sex attacks on NYE are only doing so "because brown people are involved". The argument goes that because posters do not protest regularly about German (white?) men sexually attacking German women then the only reason to protest now is "cos racist". Is that not your position too?

[Hugo a Gogo]

He had his passport stolen, he's a bit retarded, he doesn't know his number, he says he's 15.

And Syria doesn't want him either. What are you going to do, drop him out of a Typhoon?

[andymadmak]

Hugo a Gogo said:

He had his passport stolen, he's a bit retarded, he doesn't know his number, he says he's 15.

And Syria doesn't want him either. What are you going to do, drop him out of a Typhoon?

He can remember his name though, and the town he lived in. If he's real, we could trace him. If he aint, then yes, send him back on a plane or a boat. But not a Typhoon, ...if anyone is gonna get a back seat jolly in a two seat Typhoon it should be me cos I REALLY want a go in one of those babies!
And I suggest that Syria would be in no position to stop us forcefully returning people.

[JagLover]

andymadmak said:

jshell said:

andymadmak said:

Somebody will be along shortly to call me a fascist or a racist, for sure.

More likely: naive. Sorry, but the lawyers would call that idea 'Andrex'. To be ripped up for arse-paper.

Oh I do understand the legal problems my scheme causes. By a few new laws would sort that out.

It would take more than a few new laws but an entirely different way of dealing with refugees.

Many on this thread are still trying to differentiate between "genuine" refugees and Migrants but most are already from conflict zones such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria and under current asylum rules, as currently applied, have a right to stay.

The trouble with this system is becoming ever more apparent in that Europe is compelled to grant asylum to people who have very few useful skills in a first world economy. The boss of one German employers association for example estimated that 80% have virtually no useful skills.I remember reading that most of the Afghan migrants are illiterate as well. This is to say nothing of social incompatibility.

The fundamental flaw of the asylum system is that temporary conflicts result in permanent rights of settlement. Also that the more backward and violent a culture is the more likely its citizens are able to become eligible for resettlement in the west.

The only solution is to end this distinction between “deserving” and “undeserving” or uttering platitudes like saying you will deport criminals to places that will not accept them back (are you going to parachute them in?)

Aid should be offered in camps closest to the conflict zones. Those who choose to illegally enter the borders of Europe should be held until the conflict is over and they can be repatriated or they voluntary repatriate themselves. Those unable to return to their countries of origin such as minority religious groups should then be considered for resettlement on a voluntary basis on the expectation they will have skills they can contribute and no criminal or anti-social problems.

[PRTVR]

I think that from a British point starting to send them back would send out a message, that would quickly get out, this would reduce the numbers coming, the big problem with the UK is our legal system that is open to abuse, first we need to deal with the legal system.


A bit off topic but the other day on the politics show they had a lawyer on, she was dealing with case concerning Iraqis and how the British soldiers treatment of them, she said there was over 1000 cases all paid for by the British tax payers, its a win win for the lawyers, total madness.

[Zod]

Hugo a Gogo said:

He had his passport stolen, he's a bit retarded, he doesn't know his number, he says he's 15.

And Syria doesn't want him either. What are you going to do, drop him out of a Typhoon?

For people like him, imprisonment is the only answer. These cases underline the need for screening, which is what the government proposes.

[Pesty]

Meeting with mayor in German town

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XdSsJQ-fvOU

[HerrSchnell]

Meeting with immigrants in "disgusting" German town where all the Germans should apparently "disappear":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5WlxjLe7s

[JMGS4]

HerrSchnell said:

Meeting with immigrants in "disgusting" German town where all the Germans should apparently "disappear":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5WlxjLe7s

VERY fluent in Germany with a rhineland accent, obviously children of Turkish descent, refusing point blank to mix..... this however is not the usual thing here, as far as my contacts go. We have Turkish neighbours, and they are the most happy and easy going people.
Apart from their youngest daughter who has changed since she was married off to a cousin from Anantolia and who has now come to live here; she's withdrawn, no longer goes out with her friends and is no longer the happy cheerful girl she was.... says something about their attitudes methinks!

[Liokault]

fairly large "fight" in one of the U-Bahn stations in Munich last night, one of the guys from my office witnessed the end of it.

"Immigrant" looking guys (North African) were harassing women in the station, eventually apparently, some local men stepped in and it turned into a large group pushing, shoving and punching each other.

Apparently this was reported on the news, but I cant find a link.

[Liokault]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3426947/Sh...

[Digga]

Me and several hundred thousand other construction industry people from all over the world will descend on Munich in April for it's excellent, triennial Bauma exhibition (the single biggest show on the planet).

I love the city, I've been numerous times and always enjoy the city. I also love Germany, I've toured too by car in the past and also visited friends in Dusseldorf, but I must admit I'm quite worried about how the place will seem this time around. I hope the crisis does not put other people off - I am certainly not going to let it.

[Liokault]

Digga said:

Me and several hundred thousand other construction industry people from all over the world will descend on Munich in April for it's excellent, triennial Bauma exhibition (the single biggest show on the planet).

I love the city, I've been numerous times and always enjoy the city. I also love Germany, I've toured too by car in the past and also visited friends in Dusseldorf, but I must admit I'm quite worried about how the place will seem this time around. I hope the crisis does not put other people off - I am certainly not going to let it.

I'm in Munich right now, and generally spend two nights a week here...you wont have a problem or probably notice anything different. I certainly haven't.

[Digga]

Liokault said:

I'm in Munich right now, and generally spend two nights a week here...you wont have a problem or probably notice anything different. I certainly haven't.

Thank you. That's reassuring, not so much for myself - a veteran of places like Milan where issues have been more difficult for ages - but for the people I'm taking with me and have a degree of responsibility for.

So the Haxnbauer hasn't been asked to cover up their world famous pork-knuckle rotisserie yet?

[Adenauer]

Digga said:

crisis

Digga, do you write for the Daily Mail?

[Digga]

Adenauer said:

Digga said:

crisis

Digga, do you write for the Daily Mail?

Sorry - I wasn't referring to Munich or even Germany specifically there, more the general refugee and migrant crisis; even the BBC are using the phrase in this context.

[Adenauer]

Digga said:

Adenauer said:

Digga said:

crisis

Digga, do you write for the Daily Mail?

Sorry - I wasn't referring to Munich or even Germany specifically there, more the general refugee and migrant crisis; even the BBC are using the phrase in this context.

No worries, but it really isn't.

Over the last 8 weeks I have spent nights in Bonn, Köln, Düsseldorf, München, and Hamburg, and not felt threatened at all.

About 35 years ago I was beaten up by a couple of Gastarbeiter (Turks) in an underpass in Köln.

st happens

[Sam All]

But how do Young women feel about this? Do they feel threatened?

Surprised no vigilante action yet.