Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

[danllama]

BlackLabel said:

That's a bit melodramatic don't you think?

It's a serious situation and more needs to be done to stop people making the journey through Mediterranean but it's hardly an 'invasion'?

76000 people in January alone. Not even accounting for those who find other ways in.

[AJS-]

I don't see how it's melodramatic really. They're not fleeing a war zone, or quietly hopping the border to pick up some cash in hand work. They are taking no heed of immigration laws and imposing themselves on Europe en masse. The only other word I can find to fit it is a hijrah.

[irocfan]

Pesty said:

feminists be like

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/11/christi...

I think that this is the reality of some situations that our leftie chums on here are ignoring. TBH I really don't see the need for separate refugee accommodation though - it's quite simple if you bring your barbaric ways over here you'll be sent back to Syria/Iraq. If you don't come from those places tough. You've told us you're from there so back there you can go.

Granting people refugee status has got obligations on both sides...

[Esseesse]

danllama said:

Why aren't we doing anything to stop it?? Do these people just have free movement between Turkey and France?

It would be easy to stop. I suspect that it's not that the EU leaders are not lacking in backbone to stop it, it's that they don't want to stop it but appearing concerned with no backbone is more electable.

[s3fella]

George Clooney asking Merkel what Hollywood can do to help the migrant crisis.....?

How about butting out and minding your own fking business you self promoting tit??

[Digga]

s3fella said:

George Clooney asking Merkel what Hollywood can do to help the migrant crisis.....?

How about butting out and minding your own fking business you self promoting tit??

I wonder when the general public will get wise to and react against the constant, clueless, fatuous posturing of slebs? If they're so worried, why not plow all their own money into the problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdAuj6m3VRE

[gruffalo]

How about

1: Making targeted public information films about how to behave in a civilised manner?
2: Funding more/better camps in region?
3: Chartering planes to return those that are unable to behave in a civilised manner?
4: Fund specialist teams to go to camps and filter the truly needy so they can get relocated?

You know just useful stuff.

[Esseesse]

gruffalo said:

Making targeted public information films about how to behave in a civilised manner?

I think what is and isn't acceptable behaviour is fairly ingrained into someone by late teens/early 20's.

[Digga]

gruffalo said:

How about

1: Making targeted public information films about how to behave in a civilised manner?
2: Funding more/better camps in region?
3: Chartering planes to return those that are unable to behave in a civilised manner?
4: Fund specialist teams to go to camps and filter the truly needy so they can get relocated?

You know just useful stuff.

Well, to an extent that's at the core. Of course the West - the UK and Germany - should rightly try to welcome people from other cultures because it is a principle inherent in the very core of our civilisation.

The difficulty arises when those arriving in the West are insufficiently integrated and are allowed or enabled to carve out parallel existences which are, effectively, outside of cultural and even legal norms of their new home nation.

You can see a hint of this in the summing up by the judge in the most recent UK abuse case:

The Judge at Bradford Crown Court said:

The attitudes of the majority of you have so clearly demonstrated to these proceedings has been contemptuous, disrespectful and arrogant on a scale that I have hardly seen before in many years of practice in criminal law.

Read more: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/keighley...

Now these are not the only "arrogant sex criminals" - this is by no means restricted to non-white or immigrant offenders - but the numbers in one case and their aloofness are, nevertheless, a warning that mistake were made in the past and integration needs to change.

[Hugh Jarse]

It is invasion.
All the wars and economic problems are caused by irresponsible birth rates.
Which they then bring to Europe.
7.7 kids per family in Afghanistan, women are baby machines.
Look at Bradford, several new schools need to be built to cope with the birthrate.

When Serbia was evacuated in WWI to Italy, nearly all went back to their homeland afterwards.
Why do refugees to Europe have permanent residency and citizenship?
Shouldn't they go home and help their compatriots rebuild a fair and just society?

This is population overspill sponsored by the UN libtards.
With oil value plummeting soon the whole region will be bankrupt = more disparaged youth > more foot soliders > more wars > more refugees.

[A10]

Digga said:

Read more: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/keighley...

Now these are not the only "arrogant sex criminals" - this is by no means restricted to non-white or immigrant offenders - but the numbers in one case and their aloofness are, nevertheless, a warning that mistake were made in the past and integration needs to change.

Not that I advocate it but...

Their arrogance will dissipate once inside. Dark skinned nonces must be public enemy no.1 for the less liberal minded inmates.

I'm sure a reality check is winging its way towards every one of them.

[Esseesse]

Digga said:

Of course the West - the UK and Germany - should rightly try to welcome people from other cultures because it is a principle inherent in the very core of our civilisation.

This is what we're told, I'm not sure it's actually true. Until the middle of the 20C it seems as if we absolutely did not welcome foreign cultures. I think we should help people in genuine need, I don't class these people coming in to Europe as that since in the worst case they're coming via a country that is a popular holiday destination.

[Digga]

Esseesse said:

Digga said:

Of course the West - the UK and Germany - should rightly try to welcome people from other cultures because it is a principle inherent in the very core of our civilisation.

This is what we're told, I'm not sure it's actually true. Until the middle of the 20C it seems as if we absolutely did not welcome foreign cultures. I think we should help people in genuine need, I don't class these people coming in to Europe as that since in the worse case they're coming via a country that is a popular holiday destination.

I agree, we are not obliged or sensible to offer a free-for-all open door policy (thanks New Labour) but we always have accommodated different cultures. Not always without friction, but in general with good grace.

[s3fella]

gruffalo said:

How about

1: Making targeted public information films about how to behave in a civilised manner?
2: Funding more/better camps in region?
3: Chartering planes to return those that are unable to behave in a civilised manner?
4: Fund specialist teams to go to camps and filter the truly needy so they can get relocated?

You know just useful stuff.

Or how about telling them to clear off and stop blighting the homelands of the very people that keep Clooney and his ilk in their designer suits, mansions and Nesspresso!? I mean how many "refugees" are paying £60 quid to take the missus out to VUE to see the latest new release..? How about educating them that it is not OK to storm borders and burn your papers so as to cheat your way inot a society that others have worked hard to develop?

I'd have more time for celebs and politicians that actually paid more attention to the migrant crisis from another perspective than that of the migrants! How about normal people on lesbos, and in Greece, turkey, from near the migrant camps in various countries, Germany, Sweden, France, how about the residents of Calais...you know the ones who are actually meant to be their, that pay their way, rent taxes etc...? Where are the do gooders helping them..?
Its all well and good seeing it from the perspective of what are sometimes some desperate people, but how about the ones who have to put up with significant changes in their lives and livelihoods and a result? My point is there is more than one side to all this.

[gruffalo]

s3fella said:

Or how about telling them to clear off and stop blighting the homelands of the very people that keep Clooney and his ilk in their designer suits, mansions and Nesspresso!? I mean how many "refugees" are paying £60 quid to take the missus out to VUE to see the latest new release..? How about educating them that it is not OK to storm borders and burn your papers so as to cheat your way inot a society that others have worked hard to develop?

I'd have more time for celebs and politicians that actually paid more attention to the migrant crisis from another perspective than that of the migrants! How about normal people on lesbos, and in Greece, turkey, from near the migrant camps in various countries, Germany, Sweden, France, how about the residents of Calais...you know the ones who are actually meant to be their, that pay their way, rent taxes etc...? Where are the do gooders helping them..?
Its all well and good seeing it from the perspective of what are sometimes some desperate people, but how about the ones who have to put up with significant changes in their lives and livelihoods and a result? My point is there is more than one side to all this.

See items 2,3 and 4 all of these aimed at preventing all of what you have said and keeping most in region, the truly needy should be allowed the opportunity to be offered a new home.

e.g. How about those young kids who have lost their own family, loads of people over here looking to adopt kids who could offer them a solid family and bring them up in the ways of the west, possibly there by preventing a future nutter bent on jihad?

[Ridley]

Hugh Jarse said:

Why do refugees to Europe have permanent residency and citizenship?

They don't.

In the UK they have to spend 5yrs on refugee status before they can apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain. If this is granted they they have to wait another year before they can apply for naturalisation/passport.

It's a similar case all over Europe with average time-frames ranging from 5-8yrs. That was before this recent situation so I can't believe it'll reduce the time with the sheer volume that need to be processed.

[HerrSchnell]

A10 said:

Not that I advocate it but...

Their arrogance will dissipate once inside. Dark skinned nonces must be public enemy no.1 for the less liberal minded inmates.

I'm sure a reality check is winging its way towards every one of them.

Six years ago the situation in jail was reported as being run by Muslim gangs, I can't imagine it's got any better:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8558590.stm

[Digga]

HerrSchnell said:

Six years ago the situation in jail was reported as being run by Muslim gangs, I can't imagine it's got any better:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8558590.stm

I think you're correct. It would seem that many prisons and youth offenders institutions will have gang factions of various racial and religious denominations.

[Sam All]

Ridley said:

They don't.

In the UK they have to spend 5yrs on refugee status before they can apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain. If this is granted they they have to wait another year before they can apply for naturalisation/passport.

It's a similar case all over Europe with average time-frames ranging from 5-8yrs. That was before this recent situation so I can't believe it'll reduce the time with the sheer volume that need to be processed.

And how many will go back, and is it even right to uproot their kids from schools etc ?

[Northern Munkee]

Esseesse said:

Digga said:

Of course the West - the UK and Germany - should rightly try to welcome people from other cultures because it is a principle inherent in the very core of our civilisation.

This is what we're told, I'm not sure it's actually true. Until the middle of the 20C it seems as if we absolutely did not welcome foreign cultures. I think we should help people in genuine need, I don't class these people coming in to Europe as that since in the worst case they're coming via a country that is a popular holiday destination.

It's like we've told each other this so often we believe it's true. Its like the corollary to it that we must set the example to others because we are so virtuous, it's not true. We were better than all the other imperial powers, but not by design, or if it were it's only because it suited us.

Read Niall Ferguson's Empire: How Britain Made The Modern World, or his Civilization: The West and the Rest, it'll open your eyes and inform you about why we're in trouble. It's a fair assessment in my opinion and balanced and interesting. As far as welcoming we were the best of the imperial powers, in exploiting opportunities and country, and in leaving the English language, common law, sport, and govt behind, although not planned more of a coincidence. As imperial powers go much better than the Spanish, Portugese, Dutch and French, and a lot better than the Germans and the Belgians being the worst. It almost seems as though the British Empire spent it's last breath hanging on in the face of fascism in WW2 and for every excess it had before that, it pretty much made up for it, and destroyed itself, in the process. It's why I don't feel we need to apologise to anyone about our history.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Friday 12th February 16:21

Edited by Northern Munkee on Friday 12th February 16:23