Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

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v8250

2,724 posts

211 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Hugh Jarse said:
Europe is a relatively stable place, the rest of the world is a relatively unstable corrupt place.
When Africans et al choose to leave Africa that is the most racist choice possible, to leave their own kind to seek shelter in Europe rather than fix their homeland so that everywhere is calm.

As Europeans we need to be avoid destabilising Europe and try to export order not import chaos.
Given France has been under a state of emergency for months and the capital of the European Union was under lockdown for several weeks, that stability is being undeniably chipped away. I say undeniably, even though some people deny it.

Why should Hungary, stable population and country be forced to import unstable high birth rate Afghans (average family size 9.7) to be repopulated. Is it racist to say Afghans having 9.7 people in each family is leading to disaster there and that is why they have endless civil war and that is why according to insane UNCHR they have a legal right to settle in your country and carry on exactly as before to spread destabilisation.
I dont want a plague of humans, thats not responsible way to manage planet Earth.

People who want to exclude discussion, prevent publication of or deny realities are the fascists.
Thankfully via the internet we have free debate which we should rejoice in and encourage.
The EU is telling Hungary they must accept mass immigration, but Hungary is going to vote on it.
That is real democracy, asking the people.
Well done HJ. I've mentioned before and will say again, we all have to wake up to the extreme social instability EU politicians have placed upon European countries. The social instability caused as a direct affect of brain dead immigration policies. If it does not stop and the existing migrants returned to their own countries we will see extensive social unrest; social unrest of shocking proportion and something that none of us really want.

I'm going to be direct, now, and write what many people think but are afraid to say. The types if immigrant flooding in to Europe are not the type of immigrant Europe wants or needs. They have zero want to integrate, to work hard and be native to their adopted country. And we as Europeans have zero chance of enabling this. The immigrants simply want freely issued money, homes, food and to expand their existing debased way of life. This is not acceptable within our modern western society, a modern society developed from hundreds of years of European cultural advancement.

It is not racist to say that some African and Middle Eastern peoples to not 'fit' with European culture. It is a simple fact, the majority do not. There are exceptions to this rule...I have some wonderful colleagues and friends from these regions who have adopted Europe/the UK as their homes who bring tremendous skills and social diversity with them...but these exceptions are rare to be found.

Nor is it racist to say that we do not want Muslim extremists in Europe. Simple fact, we do not. Why should we accept, why should we play host to this extreme socially diseased form of religion and all the aggression associated with Islam? We do not want this type of aggression, this lifestyle of barbaric social exclusion and social disharmony in Europe. If these peoples do not like this they should leave/be shipped back/extradited/deported for the social harmony of the European countries.

Now, I'm sure to be shot down by some for these notes, but the reality is that the above are the social facts of what is going on throughout every European country today. And until it stops, until the matter is directly addressed the situation is going to get far, far worse. During the week I received this depressing video link and was reluctant to post...some of you may say it's biased journalism, a biased compilation...but even if 5% of the video content if factual it is not the type of life we want within Europe and the UK. You can come to your own conclusions...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/44vzMNG2fZc

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Hugh Jarse said:
Europe is a relatively stable place, the rest of the world is a relatively unstable corrupt place.
When Africans et al choose to leave Africa that is the most racist choice possible, to leave their own kind to seek shelter in Europe rather than fix their homeland so that everywhere is calm
Leaving ones current environment to migrate to a better place isn't racist at all. Sure you could argue it's selfish but racist, really? You don't really believe that do you?


Hugh Jarse

3,507 posts

205 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Agree, my statement was a bit dumb.
Making the decision to leave is to go somewhere with more opportunity than where you are now.
That could be all manner of motivation; financial, religious, genetic, hedonistic, general better opportunities.

Sam All

3,101 posts

101 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Hugh Jarse said:
Making the decision to leave is to go somewhere with more opportunity than where you are now.
That could be all manner of motivation; financial, religious, genetic, hedonistic, general better opportunities.
And that can work fur both sides - but it needs to be controlled taking into account the host nation's needs and resources. step by step rather than the swarms that have the potential (as witnessed ) to upset the values that have been earned over decades/centuries.

krallicious

4,312 posts

205 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Bodo said:
You will still meet petrol station attendants with Greek/Italian/Turkish roots, who a more German than the Swiss.
A little harsh maybe. There are some decent Swiss Germans in Basel.

Bodo said:
Like in the last 70 years, the town to avoid is Offenbach.
hehe

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

184 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Hugh Jarse said:
Europe is a relatively stable place, the rest of the world is a relatively unstable corrupt place.
When Africans et al choose to leave Africa that is the most racist choice possible, to leave their own kind to seek shelter in Europe rather than fix their homeland so that everywhere is calm.

As Europeans we need to be avoid destabilising Europe and try to export order not import chaos.
Given France has been under a state of emergency for months and the capital of the European Union was under lockdown for several weeks, that stability is being undeniably chipped away. I say undeniably, even though some people deny it.

Why should Hungary, stable population and country be forced to import unstable high birth rate Afghans (average family size 9.7) to be repopulated. Is it racist to say Afghans having 9.7 people in each family is leading to disaster there and that is why they have endless civil war and that is why according to insane UNCHR they have a legal right to settle in your country and carry on exactly as before to spread destabilisation.
I dont want a plague of humans, thats not responsible way to manage planet Earth.

People who want to exclude discussion, prevent publication of or deny realities are the fascists.
Thankfully via the internet we have free debate which we should rejoice in and encourage.
The EU is telling Hungary they must accept mass immigration, but Hungary is going to vote on it.
That is real democracy, asking the people.
Spot on. Bang on the bloody head.

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

184 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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krallicious said:
Bodo said:
You will still meet petrol station attendants with Greek/Italian/Turkish roots, who a more German than the Swiss.
A little harsh maybe. There are some decent Swiss Germans in Basel.

Bodo said:
Like in the last 70 years, the town to avoid is Offenbach.
hehe
And for those who deny the possible future and minimise the real change that can and is happening in Europe due to mass immigration - (re. Offenbach) "More than half of the city's population have a non-German background, with Turks, former Yugoslavs, Arabs, Italians, Greeks and Poles as major groups."

eyebeebe

2,983 posts

233 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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krallicious said:
Bodo said:
You will still meet petrol station attendants with Greek/Italian/Turkish roots, who a more German than the Swiss.
A little harsh maybe. There are some decent Swiss Germans in Basel.
we all know that Switzerland is for those that don't think Germany is German enough wink

Sam All

3,101 posts

101 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Bring on the clowns said:
And for those who deny the possible future and minimise the real change that can and is happening in Europe due to mass immigration - (re. Offenbach) "More than half of the city's population have a non-German background, with Turks, former Yugoslavs, Arabs, Italians, Greeks and Poles as major groups."
Luton in 2020?

v8250

2,724 posts

211 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Sam All said:
Bring on the clowns said:
And for those who deny the possible future and minimise the real change that can and is happening in Europe due to mass immigration - (re. Offenbach) "More than half of the city's population have a non-German background, with Turks, former Yugoslavs, Arabs, Italians, Greeks and Poles as major groups."
Luton in 2020 right now?
Have updated that for you...Last time I had the displeasure of passing through Luton, Dunstable and environs it was shocking. This was 7-8 years ago it was like downtown Baghdad. Hate to think what these areas are like now...let alone in another 4-5 years.

Sam All

3,101 posts

101 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Much worse than I thought then . How many more Lutons before the government wakes up.

The referendum debate will highlight this issue, and for the greater good.

krallicious

4,312 posts

205 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Bring on the clowns said:
krallicious said:
Bodo said:
You will still meet petrol station attendants with Greek/Italian/Turkish roots, who a more German than the Swiss.
A little harsh maybe. There are some decent Swiss Germans in Basel.

Bodo said:
Like in the last 70 years, the town to avoid is Offenbach.
hehe
And for those who deny the possible future and minimise the real change that can and is happening in Europe due to mass immigration - (re. Offenbach) "More than half of the city's population have a non-German background, with Turks, former Yugoslavs, Arabs, Italians, Greeks and Poles as major groups."
And Offenbach's lovely sister is at 40%.

Offenbach is odd. It covers a big area and everything around the centre (which is a hole) is nice with a lot of old money. Most of the nice cars you see in the summer have an Offenbach number plate.

Offenbach is changing because there is a huge housing shortage in Frankfurt and people are moving out east. The rents are increasing to a level where the older immigrants cannot afford. The big problem is where do they move onto?

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

184 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Surely there must be a lot of space available in Morocco, Somalia, Afghanistan and Eritrea soon?

krallicious

4,312 posts

205 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Probably is enough room but a lot of these immigrants have been here a long while and have children that were born in Germany.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

233 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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meh, small town problems, Duisburg is the big one for forrins (including 9/11 conspirators!)

steveT350C

6,728 posts

161 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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'...there are currently up to 400,000 people in the country whose identities are unknown to authorities.'

and 130,000 are missing...

https://euobserver.com/migration/132468

NRS

22,171 posts

201 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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v8250 said:
It is not racist to say that some African and Middle Eastern peoples to not 'fit' with European culture. It is a simple fact, the majority do not. There are exceptions to this rule...I have some wonderful colleagues and friends from these regions who have adopted Europe/the UK as their homes who bring tremendous skills and social diversity with them...but these exceptions are rare to be found.
Where are these statistics from? And how many you have a few wonderful colleagues and friends, but these are rare examples. How many friends do you know like this, and how many do you know who are not fit for European culture?

CarreraLightweightRacing

2,011 posts

209 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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v8250 said:
Well done HJ. I've mentioned before and will say again, we all have to wake up to the extreme social instability EU politicians have placed upon European countries. The social instability caused as a direct affect of brain dead immigration policies. If it does not stop and the existing migrants returned to their own countries we will see extensive social unrest; social unrest of shocking proportion and something that none of us really want.

I'm going to be direct, now, and write what many people think but are afraid to say. The types if immigrant flooding in to Europe are not the type of immigrant Europe wants or needs. They have zero want to integrate, to work hard and be native to their adopted country. And we as Europeans have zero chance of enabling this. The immigrants simply want freely issued money, homes, food and to expand their existing debased way of life. This is not acceptable within our modern western society, a modern society developed from hundreds of years of European cultural advancement.

It is not racist to say that some African and Middle Eastern peoples to not 'fit' with European culture. It is a simple fact, the majority do not. There are exceptions to this rule...I have some wonderful colleagues and friends from these regions who have adopted Europe/the UK as their homes who bring tremendous skills and social diversity with them...but these exceptions are rare to be found.

Nor is it racist to say that we do not want Muslim extremists in Europe. Simple fact, we do not. Why should we accept, why should we play host to this extreme socially diseased form of religion and all the aggression associated with Islam? We do not want this type of aggression, this lifestyle of barbaric social exclusion and social disharmony in Europe. If these peoples do not like this they should leave/be shipped back/extradited/deported for the social harmony of the European countries.

Now, I'm sure to be shot down by some for these notes, but the reality is that the above are the social facts of what is going on throughout every European country today. And until it stops, until the matter is directly addressed the situation is going to get far, far worse. During the week I received this depressing video link and was reluctant to post...some of you may say it's biased journalism, a biased compilation...but even if 5% of the video content if factual it is not the type of life we want within Europe and the UK. You can come to your own conclusions...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/44vzMNG2fZc
Sorry v8250, I couldn't watch past 2min31sec; absolutely shocking the scale of this issue being ignored and even promoted by the EU. I feel I would only wind myself up watching anymore than this. What is the solution???

Bodo

12,375 posts

266 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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krallicious said:
Bodo said:
You will still meet petrol station attendants with Greek/Italian/Turkish roots, who a more German than the Swiss.
A little harsh maybe. There are some decent Swiss Germans in Basel.
Nothing wrong with the Swiss or being more German than the Germans. It's just that most clichés about Germany seem to be lived more intensely in Switzerland.

v8250

2,724 posts

211 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Sorry v8250, I couldn't watch past 2min31sec; absolutely shocking the scale of this issue being ignored and even promoted by the EU. I feel I would only wind myself up watching anymore than this. What is the solution???
I really struggled watching the video and came away hugely saddened at what's going on across Europe, wondering how on earth is this issue to be resolved. I also thought for the genuine refugees who must be amongst these aggressors...how to differentiate between the two groups...clearly the genuine refugees are in the minority and having a terrible time. Our thoughts must also be with our European cousins living with this hell. The Greeks, Hungarians, Austrians, Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, Poles, Finns, Italians...thinking of the times I've holidayed in these countries, being made hugely welcome and the pleasure of their local cultures; and how different it must be today...

As for the aggressors, these men who are evidently fit and well fed. What is to be done with them? With their mindset it's no wonder their home territories are so fked up. A military friend of mine [a high ranking officer] and superb strategist has said many times this is a job for the military. He's very deep thinker, not a gun ho type, and recommends to all who will listen that this task is far beyond the abilities of politicians and the police. He believes they need to be contained, formally identified, processed and shipped back to their native countries. He understands and accepts this is a mammoth task but states 1. for the on going stability of Europe they can not remain, 2. they have no want or inclination to integrate, 3. even if they are allowed to remain they will cause such social disruption, such financial stress...and predicts large scale increase of very serious crime throughout all areas of Europe. His answer is military policing of these aggressors and ship them back. He rules out the use of aircraft as a transport option as he believes the risk to aircraft safety is too high.