Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
Discussion
scherzkeks said:
They provided quite a bit of indirect support for the invasion of Iraq as well via Rammstein and Landstuhl.
Her comment on a moral imperative was targeting Western Europe (and the US) in general, however. IMO, the UK and USA should really be leading the way here if we are honest. Good luck with that ofc.
Pretty much, but fat chance on that happening.Her comment on a moral imperative was targeting Western Europe (and the US) in general, however. IMO, the UK and USA should really be leading the way here if we are honest. Good luck with that ofc.
scherzkeks said:
It isn't personal at all. The wars of the last 10-15 years play a significant role in the migration occuring atmo. It is also why Merkel made the statement that we had a duty to accept refugees.
We've been exporting quite a bit of chaos and are reaping the blowback in various forms.
I dont share your fatalistic viewpoint, the war in Syria is not Europe's fault. There are lots of causes, not least high birth rates and religious fervour, with Blairs Iraq invasion certainly a (minor) factor. But whether Rusia support party X, Y or Z, those parties and divisiveness can only exists with a pouplation spurt. There are no civil wars in countries with 2.2 children.We've been exporting quite a bit of chaos and are reaping the blowback in various forms.
This is a Kabul last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28u4ItL02Fo
They have 8 children per family which means they will be perpetually facing youth unemployment and disenfranchisement and thus perpetually in civil war of one form or another. Europe cant just keep taking Eritrean, Afghans etc because they have endless civil war. Hundreds of British people have been killed and billions spent in Afghanistan to attempt to bring stability, but given ten people per family average, how can that ever happen?
Moving 300,000 Syrians from Syria to Europe solves nothing for the the remaining 23.7 million. Moving fit young men in some sort of bizarre Japanese endurance test and leaving behind the old, mentally ill, sick, injured/disabled does nothing to support those people behind.
Europe has wasted tax resources on this vanity charity project and put the red carpet out for right wing parties to take power. EU should save its pennies to help rebuild Syria which is one of the most historical societies in the world with calm and religious coexistence for minority Jews and Christians there for the last 1000 years. Unrestrained population growth from 4 to 24 million in two generations was the fuel for the Syrian civil war. That's a big change for a country that is predominantly dry arid desert.
Once you get over the white guilt and realise this is population overspill, then our goal in the EU should be to bring stability, especially population stability to the MENA region. Only then will political stability and religious tolerance be possible there as it was there for a 1000 years until fifty years ago.
Well the coalition building starts today. Going to be interesting to see how the AfD vote will affect the coming 5 years due to the forced formation of big coalitions. Saxon Anhalt will be a very colourful mix as all parties have ruled out governing with the AfD.
Hopefully that will wipe the smugness from Petry's face.
Hopefully that will wipe the smugness from Petry's face.
krallicious said:
Hopefully that will wipe the smugness from Petry's face.
As much as I'd like to see this, I have to admit that AfD's Volker Olenicak talked some sense recently to Spiegel regarding Merkel: "Der Unmut der Bürger ist allgegenwärtig", sagt Olenicak. Sie seien unzufrieden mit Berlin und auch mit Magdeburg. Auch sonst beherrscht er die für Sachsen-Anhalt typisch rechten Töne, spricht etwa von einer "Diktatur à la Merkel". Er verstehe das politische Vorgehen der Kanzlerin nicht, sagt er: "Ich schüre auf der Welt Krisenherde, stütze Amerikaner - und dann wunder ich mich über die Flüchtlinge, die nach Deutschland kommen?"Hugh Jarse said:
I dont share your fatalistic viewpoint, the war in Syria is not Europe's fault. There are lots of causes, not least high birth rates and religious fervour, with Blairs Iraq invasion certainly a (minor) factor. But whether Rusia support party X, Y or Z, those parties and divisiveness can only exists with a pouplation spurt. There are no civil wars in countries with 2.2 children.
This is a Kabul last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28u4ItL02Fo
They have 8 children per family which means they will be perpetually facing youth unemployment and disenfranchisement and thus perpetually in civil war of one form or another. Europe cant just keep taking Eritrean, Afghans etc because they have endless civil war. Hundreds of British people have been killed and billions spent in Afghanistan to attempt to bring stability, but given ten people per family average, how can that ever happen?
Moving 300,000 Syrians from Syria to Europe solves nothing for the the remaining 23.7 million. Moving fit young men in some sort of bizarre Japanese endurance test and leaving behind the old, mentally ill, sick, injured/disabled does nothing to support those people behind.
Europe has wasted tax resources on this vanity charity project and put the red carpet out for right wing parties to take power. EU should save its pennies to help rebuild Syria which is one of the most historical societies in the world with calm and religious coexistence for minority Jews and Christians there for the last 1000 years. Unrestrained population growth from 4 to 24 million in two generations was the fuel for the Syrian civil war. That's a big change for a country that is predominantly dry arid desert.
Once you get over the white guilt and realise this is population overspill, then our goal in the EU should be to bring stability, especially population stability to the MENA region. Only then will political stability and religious tolerance be possible there as it was there for a 1000 years until fifty years ago.
The apologists will tell you that once we have imported these people, they will limit themselves to 2 children. This is a Kabul last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28u4ItL02Fo
They have 8 children per family which means they will be perpetually facing youth unemployment and disenfranchisement and thus perpetually in civil war of one form or another. Europe cant just keep taking Eritrean, Afghans etc because they have endless civil war. Hundreds of British people have been killed and billions spent in Afghanistan to attempt to bring stability, but given ten people per family average, how can that ever happen?
Moving 300,000 Syrians from Syria to Europe solves nothing for the the remaining 23.7 million. Moving fit young men in some sort of bizarre Japanese endurance test and leaving behind the old, mentally ill, sick, injured/disabled does nothing to support those people behind.
Europe has wasted tax resources on this vanity charity project and put the red carpet out for right wing parties to take power. EU should save its pennies to help rebuild Syria which is one of the most historical societies in the world with calm and religious coexistence for minority Jews and Christians there for the last 1000 years. Unrestrained population growth from 4 to 24 million in two generations was the fuel for the Syrian civil war. That's a big change for a country that is predominantly dry arid desert.
Once you get over the white guilt and realise this is population overspill, then our goal in the EU should be to bring stability, especially population stability to the MENA region. Only then will political stability and religious tolerance be possible there as it was there for a 1000 years until fifty years ago.
Wonder how big the average family size is in Bradford, Luton, Southall, Slough...
More than wars. I blame the Internet
Hugh Jarse said:
I dont share your fatalistic viewpoint, the war in Syria is not Europe's fault. There are lots of causes, not least high birth rates and religious fervour, with Blairs Iraq invasion certainly a (minor) factor. But whether Rusia support party X, Y or Z, those parties and divisiveness can only exists with a pouplation spurt. There are no civil wars in countries with 2.2 children.
This is a Kabul last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28u4ItL02Fo
They have 8 children per family which means they will be perpetually facing youth unemployment and disenfranchisement and thus perpetually in civil war of one form or another. Europe cant just keep taking Eritrean, Afghans etc because they have endless civil war. Hundreds of British people have been killed and billions spent in Afghanistan to attempt to bring stability, but given ten people per family average, how can that ever happen?
Moving 300,000 Syrians from Syria to Europe solves nothing for the the remaining 23.7 million. Moving fit young men in some sort of bizarre Japanese endurance test and leaving behind the old, mentally ill, sick, injured/disabled does nothing to support those people behind.
Europe has wasted tax resources on this vanity charity project and put the red carpet out for right wing parties to take power. EU should save its pennies to help rebuild Syria which is one of the most historical societies in the world with calm and religious coexistence for minority Jews and Christians there for the last 1000 years. Unrestrained population growth from 4 to 24 million in two generations was the fuel for the Syrian civil war. That's a big change for a country that is predominantly dry arid desert.
Once you get over the white guilt and realise this is population overspill, then our goal in the EU should be to bring stability, especially population stability to the MENA region. Only then will political stability and religious tolerance be possible there as it was there for a 1000 years until fifty years ago.
The apologists will tell you that once we have imported these people, they will limit themselves to 2 children. This is a Kabul last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28u4ItL02Fo
They have 8 children per family which means they will be perpetually facing youth unemployment and disenfranchisement and thus perpetually in civil war of one form or another. Europe cant just keep taking Eritrean, Afghans etc because they have endless civil war. Hundreds of British people have been killed and billions spent in Afghanistan to attempt to bring stability, but given ten people per family average, how can that ever happen?
Moving 300,000 Syrians from Syria to Europe solves nothing for the the remaining 23.7 million. Moving fit young men in some sort of bizarre Japanese endurance test and leaving behind the old, mentally ill, sick, injured/disabled does nothing to support those people behind.
Europe has wasted tax resources on this vanity charity project and put the red carpet out for right wing parties to take power. EU should save its pennies to help rebuild Syria which is one of the most historical societies in the world with calm and religious coexistence for minority Jews and Christians there for the last 1000 years. Unrestrained population growth from 4 to 24 million in two generations was the fuel for the Syrian civil war. That's a big change for a country that is predominantly dry arid desert.
Once you get over the white guilt and realise this is population overspill, then our goal in the EU should be to bring stability, especially population stability to the MENA region. Only then will political stability and religious tolerance be possible there as it was there for a 1000 years until fifty years ago.
Wonder how big the average family size is in Bradford, Luton, Southall, Slough...
More than wars. I blame the Internet
Sam All said:
The apologists will tell you that once we have imported these people, they will limit themselves to 2 children.
Wonder how big the average family size is in Bradford, Luton, Southall, Slough...
More than wars. I blame the Internet
"these people" meaning brown people.Wonder how big the average family size is in Bradford, Luton, Southall, Slough...
More than wars. I blame the Internet
The birth rate in the UK at 1.92 is below the replacement rate of 2.075. The non-white population was 12.9% according to the 2011 census. The birth rate to non-British-born mothers is barely above the replacement rate at 2.09. Even if the next generation outbreeds the white population by that huge margin, the Muslim majority that hysterical idiots fear is centuries away. They won't though, as statistic show that the non-white birthrate drops in subsequent generations.
Car bomb goes off in Berlin.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ber...
Probably someone who could not live with polluting the environment ( the car was a vw)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ber...
Probably someone who could not live with polluting the environment ( the car was a vw)
PRTVR said:
Car bomb goes off in Berlin.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ber...
Probably someone who could not live with polluting the environment ( the car was a vw)
This over terrorist is what it looks like to me, not a huge device designed to kill as many as possible but more of a Northern Ireland type of execution device.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ber...
Probably someone who could not live with polluting the environment ( the car was a vw)
Zod said:
"these people" meaning brown people.
The birth rate in the UK at 1.92 is below the replacement rate of 2.075. The non-white population was 12.9% according to the 2011 census. The birth rate to non-British-born mothers is barely above the replacement rate at 2.09. Even if the next generation outbreeds the white population by that huge margin, the Muslim majority that hysterical idiots fear is centuries away. They won't though, as statistic show that the non-white birthrate drops in subsequent generations.
Data? Here, this is a local rant for local ranters!The birth rate in the UK at 1.92 is below the replacement rate of 2.075. The non-white population was 12.9% according to the 2011 census. The birth rate to non-British-born mothers is barely above the replacement rate at 2.09. Even if the next generation outbreeds the white population by that huge margin, the Muslim majority that hysterical idiots fear is centuries away. They won't though, as statistic show that the non-white birthrate drops in subsequent generations.
Zod said:
"these people" meaning brown people.
The birth rate in the UK at 1.92 is below the replacement rate of 2.075. The non-white population was 12.9% according to the 2011 census. The birth rate to non-British-born mothers is barely above the replacement rate at 2.09. Even if the next generation outbreeds the white population by that huge margin, the Muslim majority that hysterical idiots fear is centuries away. They won't though, as statistic show that the non-white birthrate drops in subsequent generations.
You're lying or mistaken, and is typical of the "everything is ok" crowd.The birth rate in the UK at 1.92 is below the replacement rate of 2.075. The non-white population was 12.9% according to the 2011 census. The birth rate to non-British-born mothers is barely above the replacement rate at 2.09. Even if the next generation outbreeds the white population by that huge margin, the Muslim majority that hysterical idiots fear is centuries away. They won't though, as statistic show that the non-white birthrate drops in subsequent generations.
Article says.
"The proportion of babies delivered in the UK to foreign-born mothers has risen markedly since 1997, to 26 per cent in 2013. Data from the 2011 census suggests the average Afghan-born woman living in the UK has 4.25 children, while the average Pakistani-born woman has 3.82 children. That compares with a rate of 2.19 for women living in the UK who were born in one of the 12 eastern European states, and 1.79 for UK-born mothers. Among the lowest are Australian and New Zealanders, at 1.38."
The growing number of large families is driven by rising levels of immigration, and particularly by women from Pakistan and Bangladesh, says Ann Buchanan, professor of social work at the University of Oxford.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration...
Marriages are often arranged bringing in a new spouse in most cases from the third world.
The UK is importing the habits and culture of high birth rate and poverty.
To be concerned about this does not mean you hate brown people or Muslims, but it does mean you are against Muslim expansionism which is big in the UK and endemic in the low countries. I would like to retain all the cultures in the world including European. Cultural colonisation and takeover is not a good thing in my book but it is happening.
Like I said previously, this migration crisis is bringing the issue to the fore and that has to be positive, otherwise Europe is just left in a boiling frog scenario. When I was born world population in 1970 was 3.7 billion, when I die peacefully hopefully, i expect the world to be way over 10 billion. Not good.
The migration crisis we see today is human overspill pure and simple and Europe is the destination.
The MENA wars are fueled by over population, whether it is Sunni vs Shia or Sooty vs Sweep, people become divisive when kettled up.
Zod said:
"these people" meaning brown people.
The birth rate in the UK at 1.92 is below the replacement rate of 2.075. The non-white population was 12.9% according to the 2011 census. The birth rate to non-British-born mothers is barely above the replacement rate at 2.09. Even if the next generation outbreeds the white population by that huge margin, the Muslim majority that hysterical idiots fear is centuries away. They won't though, as statistic show that the non-white birthrate drops in subsequent generations.
These places are a magnet for new immigrants of all colour/religion but not the only ones. The birth rate in the UK at 1.92 is below the replacement rate of 2.075. The non-white population was 12.9% according to the 2011 census. The birth rate to non-British-born mothers is barely above the replacement rate at 2.09. Even if the next generation outbreeds the white population by that huge margin, the Muslim majority that hysterical idiots fear is centuries away. They won't though, as statistic show that the non-white birthrate drops in subsequent generations.
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