Meanwhile in China
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Mastodon2 said:
maser_spyder said:
Like your iPhone then?
I don't have an iPhone. 
Replace iPhone with pretty much any other contemporary smartphone (apart from a tiny handful of Samsung, HTC and Blackberry models).The reason China has a reputation for poor quality is mainly due to penny pinching buyers from Western markets screwing the factories so tightly on price, they are prepared to cut corners and skimp on quality to get the order. So you could equally blame us (or at least, our purchasers). The Chinese factory owners are guilty of being prepared to cut corners, sure, but that doesn't mean you can't get a decent product if you pay a decent price.
Hover boards are a prime instance of this. Plenty of perfectly good quality ones out there, but loads of buyers tried to get the best price, by buying from inexperienced factories churning out rubbish, which promptly caught fire. If they'd spent a few quid more, and bought from a reputable, experienced factory, it wouldn't have happened.
So much wrong with your statement it deserved to be corrected.
maser_spyder said:
Mastodon2 said:
maser_spyder said:
Like your iPhone then?
I don't have an iPhone. Replace iPhone with pretty much any other contemporary smartphone (apart from a tiny handful of Samsung, HTC and Blackberry models).The reason China has a reputation for poor quality is mainly due to penny pinching buyers from Western markets screwing the factories so tightly on price, they are prepared to cut corners and skimp on quality to get the order. So you could equally blame us (or at least, our purchasers). The Chinese factory owners are guilty of being prepared to cut corners, sure, but that doesn't mean you can't get a decent product if you pay a decent price.
Hover boards are a prime instance of this. Plenty of perfectly good quality ones out there, but loads of buyers tried to get the best price, by buying from inexperienced factories churning out rubbish, which promptly caught fire. If they'd spent a few quid more, and bought from a reputable, experienced factory, it wouldn't have happened.
So much wrong with your statement it deserved to be corrected.
Interestingly, one of our equipment suppliers in Italy tried to get some his products made in China to offset his cost increases after the euro was introduced. Nothing too sophisticated, lots of metalwork. Gave up after about two years because the Chinese were incapable of providing quality product.
There getting better but it's still 'never mind the quality, feel the width' IME.
You've said it yourself, 'cheap imitation crap', precisely proving my point. Yes, there are factory owners prepared to make crap at the lowest possible price, I said that myself. However, it doesn't mean you can't make it properly there as well by paying a little more.
Your second instance is going back nearly 20 years. If you don't think China has changed all that much, think again.
Yes, you can buy cheap crap from China.
Are all Chinese made goods poorly produced though? Most definitely not.
Your second instance is going back nearly 20 years. If you don't think China has changed all that much, think again.
Yes, you can buy cheap crap from China.
Are all Chinese made goods poorly produced though? Most definitely not.
The crap definitely outweighs the good. In fact I can't think of anything Chinese built where I've ever looked at it and thought "Wow, that is great quality".
None of this changes the fact that is that the stupid Mao statue looks like a heap of s
t and is quite a fitting monument to the bloated ego of the commies in charge of China.
None of this changes the fact that is that the stupid Mao statue looks like a heap of s
t and is quite a fitting monument to the bloated ego of the commies in charge of China.Mastodon2 said:
The crap definitely outweighs the good. In fact I can't think of anything Chinese built where I've ever looked at it and thought "Wow, that is great quality".
None of this changes the fact that is that the stupid Mao statue looks like a heap of st and is quite a fitting monument to the bloated ego of the commies in charge of China.
It really doesn't, but the crap gets talked about more.None of this changes the fact that is that the stupid Mao statue looks like a heap of s
t and is quite a fitting monument to the bloated ego of the commies in charge of China.There's hardly a smartphone or tablet or laptop or electronics device on the market that isn't at least partly Chinese made. Best laptops on the market are Lenovo = Chinese. Pretty much all Apple stuff = Made in China.
Your thinking is a little 1980s I'm afraid, well out of touch on what's actually happening there right now.
The statue is rubbish, quite right. But this was done in a provincial town by local businessmen. It wasn't an architect designed and government ratified thing of beauty. You say it's a fitting monument to the commies in charge, but they didn't authorise it. In fact, they're the ones who forced them to pull it down...
We can hardly talk. What's the first thing you see when landing in London on the Eurostar? The Lovers Statue, which is terrible. And that was commissioned, probably with full on death-by-PowerPoint.
maser_spyder said:
It really doesn't, but the crap gets talked about more.
There's hardly a smartphone or tablet or laptop or electronics device on the market that isn't at least partly Chinese made. Best laptops on the market are Lenovo = Chinese. Pretty much all Apple stuff = Made in China.
Your thinking is a little 1980s I'm afraid, well out of touch on what's actually happening there right now.
The statue is rubbish, quite right. But this was done in a provincial town by local businessmen. It wasn't an architect designed and government ratified thing of beauty. You say it's a fitting monument to the commies in charge, but they didn't authorise it. In fact, they're the ones who forced them to pull it down...
We can hardly talk. What's the first thing you see when landing in London on the Eurostar? The Lovers Statue, which is terrible. And that was commissioned, probably with full on death-by-PowerPoint.
So one of the most corrupt societies in the world, with IP infringement, industrial and political espionage at every level, exploitation and god knows what else, and its actually the end users fault because they got 10% off a laptop in the Currys January sale?There's hardly a smartphone or tablet or laptop or electronics device on the market that isn't at least partly Chinese made. Best laptops on the market are Lenovo = Chinese. Pretty much all Apple stuff = Made in China.
Your thinking is a little 1980s I'm afraid, well out of touch on what's actually happening there right now.
The statue is rubbish, quite right. But this was done in a provincial town by local businessmen. It wasn't an architect designed and government ratified thing of beauty. You say it's a fitting monument to the commies in charge, but they didn't authorise it. In fact, they're the ones who forced them to pull it down...
We can hardly talk. What's the first thing you see when landing in London on the Eurostar? The Lovers Statue, which is terrible. And that was commissioned, probably with full on death-by-PowerPoint.
The only quality products you get are manufactured under licence or the knowledge is shared in return for the cheap production. That same factory flooding the market with unsafe immitations the end users cannot know about until they catch fire does not = getting what they paid for.
Japan and South Korea have an Honour System that meant they do not produce bad goods for fear of losing face. The Chinese best goods are produced by US, European and Japanese factories in china with QC controlled by ex-pats. As for Lenovo making the "best" laptops you obviously haven't used them. The ones I see are slow and clunky and only recently have they produced casings much different from the IBM Thinkpads of the 90's.
telecat said:
Japan and South Korea have an Honour System that meant they do not produce bad goods for fear of losing face. The Chinese best goods are produced by US, European and Japanese factories in china with QC controlled by ex-pats. As for Lenovo making the "best" laptops you obviously haven't used them. The ones I see are slow and clunky and only recently have they produced casings much different from the IBM Thinkpads of the 90's.
^This^As long as the QC is controlled by westerners the quality is usually good. The moment you leave them to their own devices....
maser_spyder said:
The rumblings on social media in China are much the same as if a group of businessmen built a 300 foot statue of Tony Blair in Wigan.
They think it's ridiculous too.
Quite. We can do much better than that, They think it's ridiculous too.
a 300 foot high statue of Lee Brilleaux on the front in Southend would show 'em we mean business!!
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