Primary School Visit to Mosque
Discussion
Mr GrimNasty said:
On the other hand if you take your kid to a Mosque they might get abducted to some 3rd world hell hole and married off at 12 where they can be 'legally' raped.
So really it's stupid to make hyperbolic examples of what are ultimately quite rare occurrences isn't it.
But having said that, we all know that that link to Islam & women is just public relations propaganda and not reflective of widespread attitudes/reality.
Well hang on there Tonto...So really it's stupid to make hyperbolic examples of what are ultimately quite rare occurrences isn't it.
But having said that, we all know that that link to Islam & women is just public relations propaganda and not reflective of widespread attitudes/reality.
You are comparing someone sending a kid to a school for 4 -9 years where the CEO has instilled a corporate culture of burying kiddie rape , and a day trip to a mosque.
So... feel free to post back with this new found information...
I'll make some ovaltine while you share your thoughts...
Phew an easy target comes along.
Islam doesn't have a 'CEO' but it is hardly squeaky clean on sexual abuse of minors. Dating right back to the founder and his child bride Aisha.
Here's a surprisingly frank article in the Guardian, by a Muslim
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/...
Still, it's obviously just racism right? Catholics are the real menace.
Islam doesn't have a 'CEO' but it is hardly squeaky clean on sexual abuse of minors. Dating right back to the founder and his child bride Aisha.
Here's a surprisingly frank article in the Guardian, by a Muslim
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/...
Still, it's obviously just racism right? Catholics are the real menace.
AJS- said:
Phew an easy target comes along.
Islam doesn't have a 'CEO' but it is hardly squeaky clean on sexual abuse of minors. Dating right back to the founder and his child bride Aisha.
Here's a surprisingly frank article in the Guardian, by a Muslim
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/...
Still, it's obviously just racism right? Catholics are the real menace.
As old as 9 - that's 5 years older than Richard II's wife. Or if you read the 6 year old article you linked to, Aisha may have been as old as 19....Islam doesn't have a 'CEO' but it is hardly squeaky clean on sexual abuse of minors. Dating right back to the founder and his child bride Aisha.
Here's a surprisingly frank article in the Guardian, by a Muslim
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/...
Still, it's obviously just racism right? Catholics are the real menace.
Nice to see you back on these threads spouting your usual anti-Islamic rhetoric.
But Richard II was a king of a country 600 years ago. Not a revered prohphet whose life and example are central to thw Christian faith. Try looking at all the Muslim kings, sultans etc who have had a child bride, underage concubine, dancing boy or sex slave for a fairer comparison.
But of course it's much easier to attack Christianity because no-one cries racism.
But of course it's much easier to attack Christianity because no-one cries racism.
And back on planet earth, this was about a school trip to educate children. But as some catholic chap just said, "I wouldn't want my child educated". That's cool.
I was very offended that someone asked me to take a hat of when I walked into a Cathedral. I was very upset when I was asked to take my shoes off to visit a temple. All those people getting some pervy thrill out of glimpsing my ankles and head. It's the only explanation, and I can back that up with the extensive theological knowledge I've built up reading The Daily Scrotum over my cornflakes each morning.
I was very offended that someone asked me to take a hat of when I walked into a Cathedral. I was very upset when I was asked to take my shoes off to visit a temple. All those people getting some pervy thrill out of glimpsing my ankles and head. It's the only explanation, and I can back that up with the extensive theological knowledge I've built up reading The Daily Scrotum over my cornflakes each morning.
rohrl said:
W12GT said:
A bit late after the OP asked the question but absolutely no way. I am Catholic and whilst I appreciate there are other religions I don't believe I would educate my daughter about a religion that views women so badly.
Yeah, you're probably better off sticking with the one which actively protects child molesters within their ranks.
So true.
"I can't stand misogyny, so I'll just stick to an organisation that protects child rapists",
You couldn't make it up.
AJS- said:
But Richard II was a king of a country 600 years ago. Not a revered prohphet whose life and example are central to thw Christian faith. Try looking at all the Muslim kings, sultans etc who have had a child bride, underage concubine, dancing boy or sex slave for a fairer comparison.
But of course it's much easier to attack Christianity because no-one cries racism.
Christianity & Islam cannot throw stones at each other; both have been as bloodthirsty in their history as the other; both have 'outdated' views on women.But of course it's much easier to attack Christianity because no-one cries racism.
Richard II wasn't the only one but bear in mind that he was only 15 at the age of his first marriage and his marriage to Isabella was (like the rest of the young marriages) for politics; not sex! Many of them staying at their parents homes, or in separate suites of rooms in the Palace.
The age of consent was set at 12 in 1275, before that it was a haven for European sex tourists, home to a thriving trade in child prostitutes comparable to the notorious industries of modern-day Thailand or Cambodia; it was raised to 16 in 1885.
The age of consent is 14 in Italy & Germany; but 18 in the Vatican City - make of that what you will
kapiteinlangzaam said:
AJS- said:
But of course it's much easier to attack Christianity because no-one cries racism.
Could it be because Christians arent a race, perhaps?Steve126 said:
You are correct that Christians are not a race, neither are Muslims but that doesn't stop people accusing the people who criticise Muslims/Islam of being racist. It is something that really bothers me because it is another example of double standards and a convenient way of killing a debate.
Cheap shot to quell debate - Mods are wise to it. Ali kat
I wasn't really throwing stones from the glass house of Christianity. I'm more or less an atheist anyway.
I would disagree about the history, and more especially the fundamental nature of the two religions but that argument can go on and on.
What does irk me is the double standard. While it seems to be open season on attacking Christianity at every turn, any criticism of Islam seems to be viewed by some as a form of bigotry or racism.
On the one hand there is a noble impulse here. Christianity is the historically dominant or even 'native' religion in Britain and has made itself part of public discourse. In a free country that means it is fair game for criticism and lampooning. Islam is a minority religion and a relatively new one, and I can see how undue attacks have a nasty whiff of bullying.
On the other hand Islam has very much made itself a part of public discourse by the actions of quite a few of its adherents. Including suxh exercises as school visits. In doing so it has also opened itself up to scrutiny. To then hide behind the accusations of bigotry when this criticism comes is cowardly and dishonest.
The real cowards though IMO are those, mostly white 'post-Christians' who jump on this bandwagon and will take any opportunity to attack the church yet recoil in horror at any hint of an attack on Islam.
I wasn't really throwing stones from the glass house of Christianity. I'm more or less an atheist anyway.
I would disagree about the history, and more especially the fundamental nature of the two religions but that argument can go on and on.
What does irk me is the double standard. While it seems to be open season on attacking Christianity at every turn, any criticism of Islam seems to be viewed by some as a form of bigotry or racism.
On the one hand there is a noble impulse here. Christianity is the historically dominant or even 'native' religion in Britain and has made itself part of public discourse. In a free country that means it is fair game for criticism and lampooning. Islam is a minority religion and a relatively new one, and I can see how undue attacks have a nasty whiff of bullying.
On the other hand Islam has very much made itself a part of public discourse by the actions of quite a few of its adherents. Including suxh exercises as school visits. In doing so it has also opened itself up to scrutiny. To then hide behind the accusations of bigotry when this criticism comes is cowardly and dishonest.
The real cowards though IMO are those, mostly white 'post-Christians' who jump on this bandwagon and will take any opportunity to attack the church yet recoil in horror at any hint of an attack on Islam.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
AJS- said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Could it be because Christians arent a race, perhaps?
And Muslims are?Steve126 said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
AJS- said:
But of course it's much easier to attack Christianity because no-one cries racism.
Could it be because Christians arent a race, perhaps?ATG said:
They use "racist" as a shorthand for "mindless bigot spouting daft generalisations about some people who the speaker identifies as being a group to which he does not belong". Brevity wins over strict accuracy.
Or as a convenient feel good alternative to actually taking on the arguments. techiedave said:
You total Racist. Its a good job you don't have to list your name and address on here. If you did I would report you to the authorities for holding such vile views.
Racist? I think you quite clearly misunderstand. Do you think other religions educate their youngsters about other religions with such freedom? Look at the variety of schools; most Christian schools are very inclusive in this day and age - the Church of England are now incredibly open. I no no longer attend Catholic Church and both my children are CofE.One of the hugely amazing things about this country is that we are diverse and welcome to almost everything that is socially acceptable which is what makes it such a great place when everyone works together.
When my daughter is old enough to make a decision she can choose her own way whatever that be.
But you have jumped to a conclusion of me without asking for any clarity on my comment. I think that makes you and 'ist' I just haven't decided on which type of 'ist' are.
W12GT said:
Racist? I think you quite clearly misunderstand. Do you think other religions educate their youngsters about other religions with such freedom? Look at the variety of schools; most Christian schools are very inclusive in this day and age - the Church of England are now incredibly open. I no no longer attend Catholic Church and both my children are CofE.
One of the hugely amazing things about this country is that we are diverse and welcome to almost everything that is socially acceptable which is what makes it such a great place when everyone works together.
When my daughter is old enough to make a decision she can choose her own way whatever that be.
But you have jumped to a conclusion of me without asking for any clarity on my comment. I think that makes you and 'ist' I just haven't decided on which type of 'ist' are.
Whoosh parrot?One of the hugely amazing things about this country is that we are diverse and welcome to almost everything that is socially acceptable which is what makes it such a great place when everyone works together.
When my daughter is old enough to make a decision she can choose her own way whatever that be.
But you have jumped to a conclusion of me without asking for any clarity on my comment. I think that makes you and 'ist' I just haven't decided on which type of 'ist' are.
Rovinghawk said:
oakdale said:
I know that christian ethics have made the UK the wonderful and attractive place to all nationalities that it is today.
The bible says slavery is fine.I'm not sure I'd support ethics like that.
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