Primary School Visit to Mosque

[Rovinghawk]

oakdale said:

I was talking about the ethics that make us caring society as apposed to one that cuts peoples hands and heads off.

Is slavery an ethic that makes us a caring society? You mentioned christian ethics; I'm pointing out that those ethics are pretty dubious in some cases. AIUI the bible has something to say about hand-chopping too (Matthew 5:30, Mark 9:43).

The bible also covers offering one's virgin daughters to a mob to be gang-banged. One has to question Lot's ethics on this one, especially as the bible portrays him as a righteous man.

I'll agree with you that we could do with a few ethics around the place but I'll disagree that christianity is all sweetness and light. Its only good point is that we gloss over the bits that aren't considered fashionable, even though it's just as much the word of god as the bits we approve of.

Not using capitals for religious crap is deliberate

[BlackLabel]

A school trip with a difference......


A primary school took children on a trip to meet an Islamic preacher, just months after the High Court ruled the imam an ‘extremist’ who had ‘promoted and encouraged religious violence’. The visits by state school students, aged eight and nine, to meet Shakeel Begg, the imam at the mosque attended by the killers of Lee Rigby, has provoked widespread outrage. Mr Begg, chief imam at Lewisham Islamic Centre, was described in a High Court judgment at the end of October as a “Jekyll and Hyde character”. Mr Justice Haddon-Cave also warned that Mr Begg’s role as imam put him in a position to “plant the seed of Islamic extremism in a young mind”.

[RedTrident]

As children, my younger brother and I, did our best to avoid the place. I distinctly remember the mosque classes after school, being made to recite words that none of us understood and getting the crap kicked out of us when we asked questions.

My last visit for Eid prayers to the mosque affiliated with the one I grew up with, in its nice shiny new building rather than the 2 terrace houses knocked together that I went to as a child, was actually worse. Bigot of an Imam to a congregation of several thousand Muslim men, talking about our duty to challenge Muslim sisters who do not dress conservatively.

Though this is nothing really in a town where a local school has been investigated for raising money for Islamists and the local MP happy to pose for pictures with the brother of a convicted terrorist.

[Thorodin]

Were the indigenous population integrating well?

[MrBrightSi]

Rovinghawk said:

oakdale said:

I was talking about the ethics that make us caring society as apposed to one that cuts peoples hands and heads off.

Is slavery an ethic that makes us a caring society?

Slavery existed in every corner of the globe at one point.

We have no slaves at home - then why abroad?
And they themselves, once ferried o'er the wave
That parts us, are emancipate and loosed.
Slaves cannot breathe in England; if their lungs
Receive our air, that moment they are free,
They touch our country and their shackles fall.
That's noble, and bespeaks a nation proud
And jealous of the blessing. Spread it then,
And let it circulate through every vein
Of all your empire; that where Britain's power
Is felt, mankind may feel her mercy too.
William Cowper
From The Task, Book II (1784)

There was quite a lot of anti slavery feeling in the British public at the time, the somerset case shows that quite well and this wonderful poem too. I dare say that people were a lot more of the faith back in those days too.

Sorry to wade in and divert the topic, just a good excuse to spread a bit of cowper.

[anonymous-user]

24 pages about the weak minded fairy story believers arguing with societies cancerous box ticking liberals......

All the idiots in one place.

Forum gold.

[Einion Yrth]

RedTrident said:

As children, my younger brother and I, did our best to avoid the place. I distinctly remember the mosque classes after school, being made to recite words that none of us understood and getting the crap kicked out of us when we asked questions.

My last visit for Eid prayers to the mosque affiliated with the one I grew up with, in its nice shiny new building rather than the 2 terrace houses knocked together that I went to as a child, was actually worse. Bigot of an Imam to a congregation of several thousand Muslim men, talking about our duty to challenge Muslim sisters who do not dress conservatively.

Though this is nothing really in a town where a local school has been investigated for raising money for Islamists and the local MP happy to pose for pictures with the brother of a convicted terrorist.

I know this is a difficult question, given the punishment for apostacy, and I don't expect an answer.
Do you still consider yourself Muslim?

[Trabi601]

RedTrident said:

As children, my younger brother and I, did our best to avoid the place. I distinctly remember the mosque classes after school, being made to recite words that none of us understood and getting the crap kicked out of us when we asked questions.

My last visit for Eid prayers to the mosque affiliated with the one I grew up with, in its nice shiny new building rather than the 2 terrace houses knocked together that I went to as a child, was actually worse. Bigot of an Imam to a congregation of several thousand Muslim men, talking about our duty to challenge Muslim sisters who do not dress conservatively.

Though this is nothing really in a town where a local school has been investigated for raising money for Islamists and the local MP happy to pose for pictures with the brother of a convicted terrorist.

This doesn't sound an awful lot different to a Catholic upbringing!

[RedTrident]

Einion Yrth said:

I know this is a difficult question, given the punishment for apostacy, and I don't expect an answer.
Do you still consider yourself Muslim?

I learned to think that a person's relationship with their God (if they choose to believe in one) a private matter. I also learned that a person's actions were more important than the words they used or the length of their beards

[anonymous-user]

RedTrident said:

Einion Yrth said:

I know this is a difficult question, given the punishment for apostacy, and I don't expect an answer.
Do you still consider yourself Muslim?

I learned to think that a person's relationship with their God (if they choose to believe in one) a private matter. I also learned that a person's actions were more important than the words they used or the length of their beards

I think that's a really great way to put things.

[ATG]

techiedave said:

RedTrident said:

Einion Yrth said:

I know this is a difficult question, given the punishment for apostacy, and I don't expect an answer.
Do you still consider yourself Muslim?

I learned to think that a person's relationship with their God (if they choose to believe in one) a private matter. I also learned that a person's actions were more important than the words they used or the length of their beards

I think that's a really great way to put things.

Quite. The more people that think in those terms, irrespective of their faith or lack of it, the better.

[Goaty Bill 2]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

24 pages about the weak minded fairy story believers arguing with societies cancerous box ticking liberals......

All the idiots in one place.

Forum gold.

[Mothersruin]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

All the idiots in one place.

They are now.

[Digga]

ATG said:

techiedave said:

RedTrident said:

Einion Yrth said:

I know this is a difficult question, given the punishment for apostacy, and I don't expect an answer.
Do you still consider yourself Muslim?

I learned to think that a person's relationship with their God (if they choose to believe in one) a private matter. I also learned that a person's actions were more important than the words they used or the length of their beards

I think that's a really great way to put things.

Quite. The more people that think in those terms, irrespective of their faith or lack of it, the better.

I'd agree and, on that positive note, other news of integration and cultural recognition; London Mayor Sadiq Kahn acknowledges the value of London's pubs:

http://www.cityam.com/263139/london-has-lost-quart...