Brexit Poll 1/2/16

Poll: Brexit Poll 1/2/16

Total Members Polled: 1469

Stay: 23%
Leave: 48%
Leaning towards Stay: 8%
Leaning towards Leave: 17%
Don't know yet: 4%
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Discussion

Mario149

Original Poster:

7,750 posts

177 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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Thought I'd put this up in case we don't have a poll for it yet. Can do more in the future to see if people change their minds as a result of DC's negotiations and for against/campaigning etc

jkh112

21,886 posts

157 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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Poll has been up for 30 minutes, 17 votes and it is 82% leave.

TurboHatchback

4,151 posts

152 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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I have a sneaking suspicion that PH NP&E might not be the most representative of polls (sadly).

Mario149

Original Poster:

7,750 posts

177 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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PH was down over lunch, thought this poll may have crashed it biggrin

vanordinaire

3,701 posts

161 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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I used to be a fisherman, still have family and friends in the industry. We might have a slim chance of salvaging what's left of the industry if we get out of Europe now.

bazza white

3,550 posts

127 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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After the pretty poor effort by the EU to slow steel imports and not allowing subsidies I'm out. If it was a German industry it would have been slowed along time ago.sound like a lefty but it is a joke the the response from the EU.


Adam Ansel

695 posts

105 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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For free trade we can just join TTIP, no need for the EU.

Why we should get out.
The EU is massively corrupt. Most money it spends is just some form of rent extraction.
The EU is socialist. It is anti wealth generation and seeks to punish success whilst rewarding failure.
It is stuffed full of clientism and corporatism on a breathtaking scale.
The EU took a million Muslims migrants last year, heading for 3 million this year. We want none of the crime and economic and social harm that this brings.
It's aim is to create a superstate, this means British culture will be replaced with cultural Marxism.
Why should hard working Brits pay for Club Med to retire at 50 and pay no tax?
Many policies are forced on us that we don't want because of majority voting in the council of ministers. Most vetoes are against us.
etc etc etc

ukbabz

1,538 posts

125 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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I was a stay in Europe vote on the last poll, this time am definitely leaning towards leaving.

This is nothing against Europe, as I do like visiting various parts of it and SWBO is half French. However, I do not think we fit within the Europe that is being built, and if we continue to stay there it'll damage rather than enrich us.

Bringing together complex economies, different languages and differing education levels into one entity is fraught with difficulty and I'm dubious that this is going to be within our best interests - or at least within my lifetime (and I'm still in my twenties).

I'm up for free trade with Europe, visa-less travel for tourism and even easier access for EU people to gain work VISAs than it would be for those further afield. However, the controls to be in place and the sovereignty to be on our own shores that cannot be overruled by those in other countries.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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Adam Ansel said:
For free trade we can just join TTIP, no need for the EU.
You can have free trade without joining anything.

eatcustard

1,003 posts

126 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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Get lost EU.

Out is the only way to go


Top Tip

The EU and Europe are 2 very different things.

One is a land mass which the UK is part of, the other are wkers

voyds9

8,488 posts

282 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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Mr Cameroon has spent 3 weeks trying to get us a better deal, Mrs Thatcher won us a few opt outs.

But as for the rest of the time our leaders have lead me to be believe they have just gone on with what the EU wants.

I know this probably is not the actual case but that is the impression I'm left with.

jesusbuiltmycar

4,533 posts

253 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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I'll vote to leave but I know there is no way that the EU will ever allow that to happen - even if it takes a few referendums to get the result they want.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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voyds9 said:
But as for the rest of the time our leaders have lead me to be believe they have just gone on with what the EU wants.

I know this probably is not the actual case but that is the impression I'm left with.
No I think that is the actual case, have no doubt.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

224 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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Leaning to vote to stay in until I see what the deal with the EU is and what governments exit strategy is if the vote is to leave. I have seen a lot of assumptions about what the government would do but I haven't seen anything about what the government will actually do. They wont publish that until they have a deal from the EU and start the referendum process.



blade runner

1,029 posts

211 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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plasticpig said:
Leaning to vote to stay in until I see what the deal with the EU is and what governments exit strategy is if the vote is to leave.
I don't really care what deal Cameron gets from the EU, I'll be voting to leave.

As for the current deal being negotiated, as far I can see the only tangible component is the one about no in-work benefits for EU migrants for 4 years. Has anyone actually quantified the total saving this actually makes for the UK? Can't help feeling that tax credits for EU migrants over 4 years is 10% of bugger all in the scheme of things, yet it's being hailed as a huge concession that's somehow going to solve all our problems in one fell swoop.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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For comparison here is the last poll:


SpeedMattersNot

4,506 posts

195 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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I was under the 'leaning towards in' camp, now I submitted the 'leaning towards out' option.

This has mostly been swayed by any doubts I have had about the corruption and political differences amongst the EU nations. I am not anti-immigration nor against giving generous aid to people of all backgrounds, but the handling of the recent immigration crisis has cemented my concerns. This combined with the somewhat dismissive nature of the EU towards any sort of reform for David Cameron is my biggest fear.

Whilst it'll no doubt lead to another Scottish independence deal, who probably want to remain part of the EU and it'll no doubt cause a financial and economic wobble for us, I believe in the long run (in terms of my and my families expectations, not hundreds of years!) I think we'd be better off with more freedom.

Even if that freedom means we somehow create more red tape and bureaucracy, which I doubt, so be it.

Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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What's the story with VAT on food coming in? I couldn't get a definitive answer when googling. I suspect they're purposely keeping it vague until we've voted to stay in before our weekly shop instantly jumping by 20%, right? "But they say it'll only be 5%." Do you believe them? And 5% is still more than 0%.

Edit: Also, why does nobody mention the millions we pay daily to be part of the club?

Edited by Hoofy on Monday 1st February 15:50

Kermit power

28,634 posts

212 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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I would be happy to be part of a European Superstate if it was run along proper, sensible capitalist lines.

The current mess, however, is less palatable.

One thing that is swaying me towards voting to leave is the thought that the SNP might then start pushing for another referendum on leaving the UK. Getting shot of Scotland would be worth a bit of pain on leaving the EU.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Monday 1st February 2016
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Kermit power said:
I would be happy to be part of a European Superstate if it was run along proper, sensible capitalist lines.
Historically hasn't Europe been pretty socialist/statist? The Anglosphere is what has been free market capitalist. Why do you think they will change?