Brexit Poll 1/2/16

[JNW1]

rscott said:

don4l said:

Fascinating links. Thanks for posting.

You might also like this:-
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/re...

Interesting - so even amongst those voting to leave, more think their life will be worse in 5 years time than better.

Perhaps I'm mis-reading the statistics (so apologies if I am!) but when I look at what people think life will be like in 5 years time where does it split that between people intending to vote stay in and those intending to vote to leave (or do all these figures relate only to people who are intending to vote to leave?). On the face of it the figures are saying to me that if we leave those thinking it will get worse (32%) are pretty much balanced by those who think it will get better (31%) whereas in the event we vote to remain there appears to be a clear majority who think things will get worse (28% v 18%). Quite prepared to believe I've mis-read something though....!

[Funkycoldribena]

Maxf said:

London here, in a company with 3000 employees. 22 in my team, and 1 is a 'leaver'; the department of 200 has a few more. My Mrs works in a smaller company in London - 400 employees - in her team of 20, there are 4 leavers.

At a meeting today (a different company), the whole room were 'remainers', although a few admitted to being on the fence. They said the majority of their teams in their company (major national) were 'remainers', although there were some very vocal leavers as well.

So in my personal experience, its about 90% remain. While I'm sure the polls are far more accurate, there are a lot of people, sitting in offices in fairly comfortable positions, having spent all of their lives in the EU and done perfectly well, not wanting to upset their status quo - perhaps these people don't have time for the facebook threads, forums and polls.

London bubble. No clue about the real world,office to gym to bar selling lager for 12 quid a pint,back home to 3 million studio flat.

[rscott]

JNW1 said:

rscott said:

don4l said:

Fascinating links. Thanks for posting.

You might also like this:-
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/re...

Interesting - so even amongst those voting to leave, more think their life will be worse in 5 years time than better.

Perhaps I'm mis-reading the statistics (so apologies if I am!) but when I look at what people think life will be like in 5 years time where does it split that between people intending to vote stay in and those intending to vote to leave (or do all these figures relate only to people who are intending to vote to leave?). On the face of it the figures are saying to me that if we leave those thinking it will get worse (32%) are pretty much balanced by those who think it will get better (31%) whereas in the event we vote to remain there appears to be a clear majority who think things will get worse (28% v 18%). Quite prepared to believe I've mis-read something though....!

You're right. I misread it. Not helped by them having the same image twice (second one a mistake)

[rscott]

Funkycoldribena said:

London bubble. No clue about the real world,office to gym to bar selling lager for 12 quid a pint,back home to 3 million studio flat.

Not necessarily. Our office (in East Anglia) has a similar spread of views.
That's in an area with £4 a pint beer but stupidly high house prices (within the magic hour commute to London) which puts decent houses almost out of the reach of us locals.

[Funkycoldribena]

rscott said:

Funkycoldribena said:

London bubble. No clue about the real world,office to gym to bar selling lager for 12 quid a pint,back home to 3 million studio flat.

Not necessarily. Our office (in East Anglia) has a similar spread of views.
That's in an area with £4 a pint beer but stupidly high house prices (within the magic hour commute to London) which puts decent houses almost out of the reach of us locals.

My tongue was in my cheek as you probably guessed, still baffles me though why Londoner's and outlying areas moreso want to be part of a superstate.Baffles me.

[Einion Yrth]

Funkycoldribena said:

My tongue was in my cheek as you probably guessed, still baffles me though why Londoner's and outlying areas moreso want to be part of a superstate.Baffles me.

I would imagine they think that they're voting for the status quo, under which they're doing just fine thanks. The fact that that status quo is soon to become the status quo ante, doesn't seem to have occurred to them.

[gothatway]

Funkycoldribena said:

London bubble. No clue about the real world,office to gym to bar selling lager for 12 quid a pint,back home to 3 million studio flat.

Out here in the sticks, there are quite a few Leave placards about (some of them pretty big), but very few Remain ones, and those I have seen are tiny by comparison. Locals to whom I've spoken about the issue are about 75% Leave, 25% Remain.

[JNW1]

gothatway said:

Out here in the sticks, there are quite a few Leave placards about (some of them pretty big), but very few Remain ones, and those I have seen are tiny by comparison. Locals to whom I've spoken about the issue are about 75% Leave, 25% Remain.

Same up here in rural North Yorkshire, Leave signs and placards much more prevalent than those for Remain.

[Maxf]

Funkycoldribena said:

London bubble. No clue about the real world,office to gym to bar selling lager for 12 quid a pint,back home to 3 million studio flat.

Make whatever assumptions you like, but I'm from a very working class background, had 5 years in the motor trade then put myself through University and qualified at my chosen profession after deciding I didn't enjoy a cold workshop as much as I thought I did when I left school. Pretty sure I know about the real world. My flat has 2 bedroom - £3m for a studio would be madness

It will be an interesting day next Friday anyway - I just hope the losing side accepts it with good grace and we don't have to listen to 2 years of sour grapes.

[Beati Dogu]

Einion Yrth said:

Funkycoldribena said:

My tongue was in my cheek as you probably guessed, still baffles me though why Londoner's and outlying areas moreso want to be part of a superstate.Baffles me.

I would imagine they think that they're voting for the status quo, under which they're doing just fine thanks. The fact that that status quo is soon to become the status quo ante, doesn't seem to have occurred to them.

Perhaps the fact that a third of Londoners were born abroad has something to do whit it.

[Maxf]

JNW1 said:

gothatway said:

Out here in the sticks, there are quite a few Leave placards about (some of them pretty big), but very few Remain ones, and those I have seen are tiny by comparison. Locals to whom I've spoken about the issue are about 75% Leave, 25% Remain.

Same up here in rural North Yorkshire, Leave signs and placards much more prevalent than those for Remain.

Isn't that to be expected though? The 'demonstration' or, in this case, those campaigning for change will always be more vocal and visual than those who just want everything to stay as it is. I'm sure similar happens in other areas - I certainly noticed far more labour and ukip posters and placards than conservate in general elections.

[turbobloke]

"EU leaders are undertaking talks to respond to a Brexit, Donald Tusk revealed today, as the slipping polls make it 'very difficult to be optimistic'."

"He was speaking after a meeting in Helsinki with Juha Sipila, the Finnish leader. 'We have to guarantee a proper procedure, if the result is negative. This is what we have discussed today', he said."

[JNW1]

Maxf said:

JNW1 said:

gothatway said:

Out here in the sticks, there are quite a few Leave placards about (some of them pretty big), but very few Remain ones, and those I have seen are tiny by comparison. Locals to whom I've spoken about the issue are about 75% Leave, 25% Remain.

Same up here in rural North Yorkshire, Leave signs and placards much more prevalent than those for Remain.

Isn't that to be expected though? The 'demonstration' or, in this case, those campaigning for change will always be more vocal and visual than those who just want everything to stay as it is. I'm sure similar happens in other areas - I certainly noticed far more labour and ukip posters and placards than conservate in general elections.

You may be right although at the general election I'd say there were as many Conservative signs round here as Labour or UKIP. However, this is almost a once in a lifetime thing so if I'm honest I'd probably have expected a similar level of publicity from both sides (especially when many average voters aren't really sure of the issues and are therefore undecided).

[PH XKR]

Lets not forget if we had prop rep at last election that ukip would have now a considerable number of seats. Snp have 57 seats but polled 2m less votes...

[davepoth]

Maxf said:

Isn't that to be expected though? The 'demonstration' or, in this case, those campaigning for change will always be more vocal and visual than those who just want everything to stay as it is. I'm sure similar happens in other areas - I certainly noticed far more labour and ukip posters and placards than conservate in general elections.

That's possibly down to the "shy Tory" phenomenon. The difference with this election is that significant numbers of "shy Tories" are on the leave side, and wouldn't dream of saying or doing anything publicly about it. It's one of the reasons the polling companies are so worried that they haven't really got a handle on the situation.

[Candellara]

1 week to go.

It'd be interesting to run a new poll with just Leave or Remain?

[B'stard Child]

Candellara said:

1 week to go.

It'd be interesting to run a new poll with just Leave or Remain?

I think the Moderation team stamped on the latest Poll started 16-06-16 (although you can still vote on it) and indicated that maybe one early next week would be acceptable

I do agree with your comment "Leave" OUT or "Remain" IN as that's the only choices on the voting slip and if you are still undecided and leaning In or Out it doesn't matter as they aren't options available.

Edited to add

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Candellara]

B'stard Child said:

I think the Moderation team stamped on the latest Poll started 16-06-16 (although you can still vote on it) and indicated that maybe one early next week would be acceptable

I do agree with your comment "Leave" OUT or "Remain" IN as that's the only choices on the voting slip and if you are still undecided and leaning In or Out it doesn't matter as they aren't options available.

Edited to add

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Maybe three options? Leave, Remain or Not Voting?

We had a poll at work yesterday - results were interesting.

[B'stard Child]

Candellara said:

Maybe three options? Leave, Remain or Not Voting?

We had a poll at work yesterday - results were interesting.

I don't think not voting tells anything in a poll on here......

So what did your work poll reveal (demographic elements in terms of context might be useful...)

[Blackpuddin]

turbobloke said:

"EU leaders are undertaking talks to respond to a Brexit, Donald Tusk revealed today, as the slipping polls make it 'very difficult to be optimistic'."

"He was speaking after a meeting in Helsinki with Juha Sipila, the Finnish leader. 'We have to guarantee a proper procedure, if the result is negative. This is what we have discussed today', he said."

I fully expect the leaders of the EU and the UK Gov to cook up a nice little pre-vote sweetener to swing the (crucial) undecideds.