Brexit Poll 1/2/16
Poll: Brexit Poll 1/2/16
Total Members Polled: 1469
Discussion
Esseesse said:
Kermit power said:
I would be happy to be part of a European Superstate if it was run along proper, sensible capitalist lines.
Historically hasn't Europe been pretty socialist/statist? The Anglosphere is what has been free market capitalist. Why do you think they will change?I'd rather not be trying to compete with China, the US and whatever is left of the EU as one small country if possible.
Kermit power said:
Esseesse said:
Kermit power said:
I would be happy to be part of a European Superstate if it was run along proper, sensible capitalist lines.
Historically hasn't Europe been pretty socialist/statist? The Anglosphere is what has been free market capitalist. Why do you think they will change?I'd rather not be trying to compete with China, the US and whatever is left of the EU as one small country if possible.
Kermit power said:
I didn't say I did think they would change. I just said I would be happy to be a part of it if they did.
I'd rather not be trying to compete with China, the US and whatever is left of the EU as one small country if possible.
It's not the size of the dog in a fight that matters.......it's the size of the fight in the dog.I'd rather not be trying to compete with China, the US and whatever is left of the EU as one small country if possible.
bazza white said:
After the pretty poor effort by the EU to slow steel imports and not allowing subsidies I'm out. If it was a German industry it would have been slowed along time ago.sound like a lefty but it is a joke the the response from the EU.
This is but the latest of a long list of failures, to which you can certainly add the total and utter, shambolic lack of direction and oversight of the migrant crisis and the abject handling of the Greek crisis which has effectively annexed a whole nation from prosperity.My biggest argument against is that nothing ever works better with more politicians rather than fewer. The layers of unelected political elites are sponging of the whole of the EU and creating non-jobs for their cronies, left, a little bit left and centre.
When you hear voices from Greece or Germany saying they want the UK to remain, as some sort of voice of economic reason, you know you want out. Who wants to share a life raft with those who have no means of saving themselves?
I voted for leave and I stand by that even if there are difficult economic conditions after we leave due to trade disputes.
However I believe that a British out vote may lead to us being offered what we wanted from the start, membership of a free trade area. We may have to accept common EU standards as a result and even make a contribution but we would no longer be part of a move toward a federal Europe. Along with this we would see the end of free movement of people and forced equal treatment in terms of benefits and access to public services.
However I believe that a British out vote may lead to us being offered what we wanted from the start, membership of a free trade area. We may have to accept common EU standards as a result and even make a contribution but we would no longer be part of a move toward a federal Europe. Along with this we would see the end of free movement of people and forced equal treatment in terms of benefits and access to public services.
blade runner said:
I don't really care what deal Cameron gets from the EU, I'll be voting to leave.
I can't help but think the deal Cameron is spending all his time and effort over is only a minor part of what he needs to be getting a better deal for. Even if he gets the 4 year thing, I am still not persuaded that I should vote to leave. Or am I misunderstanding things?
Kermit power said:
I didn't say I did think they would change. I just said I would be happy to be a part of it if they did.
I'd rather not be trying to compete with China, the US and whatever is left of the EU as one small country if possible.
Why not? It's easier to try and swim without a concrete weight hanging from your belt.I'd rather not be trying to compete with China, the US and whatever is left of the EU as one small country if possible.
People wanting to stay in are plunging the UK into the unknown. Does the current EU look anything like what was promised in 1975? Rest assured the future EU will continue along this path.
This referendum is the last chance for the UK.
Timmy40 said:
Kermit power said:
Esseesse said:
Kermit power said:
I would be happy to be part of a European Superstate if it was run along proper, sensible capitalist lines.
Historically hasn't Europe been pretty socialist/statist? The Anglosphere is what has been free market capitalist. Why do you think they will change?I'd rather not be trying to compete with China, the US and whatever is left of the EU as one small country if possible.
GDP of the EU excluding the UK - Approx $16 Trillion.
GDP of China - Approx $9.25 Trillion.
UK - Approx $2.7 Trillion.
Hardly on a par, are we?
As for "World's undisputed Financial Capital", how long would it take for that to move to Frankfurt (for example) once we're no longer inside the EU?
"Head of the Commonwealth". So what? The total GDP of the entire Commonwealth outside the UK is about the size of Germany and France as far as I'm aware?
Like I said, I'm leaning towards an exit, especially if we get shot of Scotland into the bargain, but seeing people somehow thinking it's going to be painless as Nigeria and Guyana pick up the strain is just terrifying!
CaptainSlow said:
How do we know there won't be others leaving? A Brexit could just me the start. A reset may occur.
Good chance it'll all fall over.France is tanking which means it's Germany left to prop it all up, and they can have it. Once they realise Merkel is trying to destroy Germany, maybe the German tax payer will decide enough is enough. The EU is undemocratic, unaccountable, and we were duped by our own politicians into joining something which was not supposed to end up like this when it was clear in the fine print that the plan was for a superstate.
There's one last chance to get out.
Kermit power said:
GDP of the US - Approx $17 Trillion.
GDP of the EU excluding the UK - Approx $16 Trillion.
GDP of China - Approx $9.25 Trillion.
UK - Approx $2.7 Trillion.
Hardly on a par, are we?
Why does this matter? The wealthiest countries (per head) in Europe are not in the EU.GDP of the EU excluding the UK - Approx $16 Trillion.
GDP of China - Approx $9.25 Trillion.
UK - Approx $2.7 Trillion.
Hardly on a par, are we?
Kermit power said:
As for "World's undisputed Financial Capital", how long would it take for that to move to Frankfurt (for example) once we're no longer inside the EU?
How long will London maintain it's position with the EU increasingly regulating it? They would like to displace London whether we're in or out of the EU.Kermit power said:
"Head of the Commonwealth". So what? The total GDP of the entire Commonwealth outside the UK is about the size of Germany and France as far as I'm aware?
This may be so, however more people == more growth potential? Plus the advantage we have with the Commonwealth is they have (IIRC) common law and similar business practises. And they speak English.The story of 'free trade' in the EU is actually asymmetrical. It's freer in ways that help German manufacturing, less free in ways that would allow the export of our services.
Bradgate said:
colonel c said:
Get the f
k out. What have we got to lose?
The single market? Employment protection legislation? The right to lie & work wherever you wish in the EU? k out. What have we got to lose?What has the EU ever done for us?
Employment protection? Why do you think we need the EU for that?
Live and work in Europe? People were doing that long before the EU. If you have suitable skills then apply for a work permit.
The idea of the EU is a good one, but it is in desperate need of reform. If we vote to stay in it will give the people that run the EU a mandate to carry on as before. I think we should stay in, subject to much better terms for us (or just our representatives doing a better job), but am leaning towards leaving.
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