Brexit Poll 1/2/16

[SpeedMattersNot]

danllama said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TU50Bz3Ey0

Christ! I bet he's a barrel of laughs down the pub.

[danllama]

SpeedMattersNot said:

Christ! I bet he's a barrel of laughs down the pub.

[Pan Pan Pan]

sealtt said:

CaptainSlow said:

And of the ones I've spoken to they regret their choices, citing what has happened isn't what they were sold.

So we better not trust them again.

No. We had better not trust the duplicitous, corrupt a*seholes who told lies to the UK public.
Those who voted in 1975 weren't told much about what would happen if we joined, and most believed we were only joining a trading bloc, not a European superstate, headed by one particular member (for whom many had just lost relatives, and friends fighting to prevent them taking control over Europe militarily) Can anyone demonstrate that the UK has exactly the same level of influence over the direction of the EU, and how it is run as Germany? No didn't think so.
The EU has shown time and time again since 1975, that it cannot be trusted, and it most certainly cannot be trusted with regard to the UK`s relationship with the EU. And yet there are naïve idiots out there who have either not looked at what the EU has done in relation to the UK, or they have, but still want the UK to be controlled by a corrupt, self serving, unaccountable, unelected, bureaucratic money grabbing, money wasting elite in Brussels.

[blindswelledrat]

SpeedMattersNot said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-...

"EXCLUSIVE POLL: 12 MILLION Turks say they’ll come to the UK once EU deal is signed".

No they don't. Don't let that get in the way of your hysterical capitalisations though.

[SpeedMattersNot]

blindswelledrat said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-...

"EXCLUSIVE POLL: 12 MILLION Turks say they’ll come to the UK once EU deal is signed".

No they don't. Don't let that get in the way of your hysterical capitalisations though.

Oh, carried out your own survey have you?

[Europa1]

SpeedMattersNot said:

blindswelledrat said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-...

"EXCLUSIVE POLL: 12 MILLION Turks say they’ll come to the UK once EU deal is signed".

No they don't. Don't let that get in the way of your hysterical capitalisations though.

Oh, carried out your own survey have you?

I expect Blindswelledrat got beyond the hysterical headline and as far as the bit that said the poll questioned 2,600 people. And people say the Remain campaign are using fear as a tactic...

[SpeedMattersNot]

Europa1 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

blindswelledrat said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-...

"EXCLUSIVE POLL: 12 MILLION Turks say they’ll come to the UK once EU deal is signed".

No they don't. Don't let that get in the way of your hysterical capitalisations though.

Oh, carried out your own survey have you?

I expect Blindswelledrat got beyond the hysterical headline and as far as the bit that said the poll questioned 2,600 people. And people say the Remain campaign are using fear as a tactic...

Hope this helps;

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/mp/sample-size-calc...


Population Size: 80000000
Confidence Level (%): 95
Margin of Error (%): 2
Calculate Sample Size: 2401

[Europa1]

SpeedMattersNot said:

ope this helps;

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/mp/sample-size-calc...


Population Size: 80000000
Confidence Level (%): 95
Margin of Error (%): 2
Calculate Sample Size: 2401

Not really - they're pretty similar to the figures for opinion polls in the run up to the last General Election.

[blindswelledrat]

Europa1 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

blindswelledrat said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-...

"EXCLUSIVE POLL: 12 MILLION Turks say they’ll come to the UK once EU deal is signed".

No they don't. Don't let that get in the way of your hysterical capitalisations though.

Oh, carried out your own survey have you?

I expect Blindswelledrat got beyond the hysterical headline and as far as the bit that said the poll questioned 2,600 people. And people say the Remain campaign are using fear as a tactic...

Exactly what I did. I merely followed the link, saw that basically one question was asked to 2600 which was "Would you consider moving to the UK" and used extremely basic intelligence to realise that this does not mean that "12 MILLION Turks say they'll come to the UK once the EU deal is signed".
I am aghast at the logic of SpeetMatters that I would somehow need to conduct my own survey to see through such utterly obvious bks.

[Mario149]

NailedOn said:

The EU debate is NOT about immigration.
Glad that's clear.

http://news.sky.com/story/1700509/uk-becoming-more...

The fact that multiculturalism didn't work, that Blair failed to 'teach us a lesson,' is ALL YOUR FAULT.

You cannot blame the immigrants who are here and failed to:
Speak English
Obey the law (British not Sharia that is)
Respect their host country
Integrate


No, they are victims of racial/ethnic/something else discrimination.
They have rights but not responsibilities.
You, you, you white tax-paying bigot, you had better 'embrace' diversity.
Or else.

Remember, these people brought us, er:
Mosques
FGM
Terrorists
Burkas

What did you do for diversity? You bigot. From wherever.

Let's vote Remain and welcome the world to the NHS, social housing, contra flow and potholes.
C' mon in. Everybody else has!

you do realise the immigrants you're talking about don't come from the EU right? And leaving will have no bearing on whether they come here or not? 8/10 for the rant though

[Mario149]

Mario149 said:

fido said:

Mario149 said:

And any EU citizen coming here to work who does not find work within 3 months can be chucked out. Again, we just choose not to enforce it which is an issue of our gov not the EU.

<snip>That's absolute rubbish. It's near impossible to enforce because it is relatively easy to prove you are looking for a job and currently studying part-time.</snip>

Last time I checked (which was a while ago I admit), "looking" for a job didn't come into it, you have to have a job, or you can be binned. Likewise you would have to prove you're studying. They don't believe you? Binned. There is just no will to do it from the gov. All the data is there, everyone's passport or ID is logged when they enter and when they exit.

Been about 4 pages since I posted this yesterday. So given that we can get rid EU migrants if they're not working etc already, why do we need to leave the EU to do it suddenly?

Reminds me of a FB thingy I saw the other day:

[limpsfield]

SpeedMattersNot said:

ope this helps;

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/mp/sample-size-calc...


Population Size: 80000000
Confidence Level (%): 95
Margin of Error (%): 2
Calculate Sample Size: 2401

I would suggest the accuracy level is comparable to last year's comments and ensuing actions by those PHers who were going to leave if UKIP didn't win meaningful seats at the election/ and the same sort of accuracy for those saying they will leave the UK if we vote Remain. Talk is cheap.

[Coolbanana]

Mario149 - haha, brilliant, made me laugh. So true too with the current hysteria over immigrants!

The Leavers, should their vote carry the day, are going to be in for a massive shock when they experience a period of financial 'hurt' only to emerge with negotiated deals that simply restore everything to much the way it is now - even though we would be outside of the EU!

"Ms Merkel, please can we do a deal to export our fine British Dumplings to your country?"

"Yes, of course, Mr Cameron. However, you need to take some EU Migrants as part of the deal."

"Ms Merkel, that won't be a problem - France and Italy insisted upon the same thing so we've realised that we have to accept some concessions".

Very simplistic, I accept, but anyone who lives under any delusion that future negotiations won't come with strings attached involving trade-offs the UK won't be happy with but will have to concede in the interests of amicable deals are living in a World that has ceased to exist.

If the UK wants to trade and work with the EU it will have to accept that the EU will want certain things that the Leavers will not be too thrilled about. Then they'll bleat that they 'weren't informed enough' or 'they are betrayed' when reality sinks in.

Anyway, only the weak and inept are seriously worried about EU Migrants taking their jobs - if you lose your job to someone who will work harder and better than you, you deserve it! The UK has a large sector of lazy and entitled individuals who think the World owes them a living.

[CaptainSlow]

Coolbanana said:

"Ms Merkel, please can we do a deal to export our fine British Dumplings to your country?"

"Yes, of course, Mr Cameron. However, you need to take some EU Migrants as part of the deal."

Alternatively we may agree to accept some Bluemotion Golfs rather than North African migrants. Merkel invited them, she can keep them.

[turbobloke]

Coolbanana said:

Mario149 - haha, brilliant, made me laugh. So true too with the current hysteria over immigrants!

The Leavers, should their vote carry the day, are going to be in for a massive shock when they experience a period of financial 'hurt' only to emerge with negotiated deals that simply restore everything to much the way it is now - even though we would be outside of the EU!

That's simply not the case, you seem to be focusing on the unknowns around trade deals for some reason.

There would be more powers in Westminster rather than Brussels relating to more decisions in more policy areas.

Also 'even though we would be outside the EU' represents another major change

Do you think there's a significant chance of a Leave result?

[zygalski]

43/57 out/remain is my prediction.
I don't think it will be quite as close as we are led to believe.

[eatcustard]

Coolbanana said:

Mario149 - haha, brilliant, made me laugh. So true too with the current hysteria over immigrants!


"Ms Merkel, please can we do a deal to export our fine British Dumplings to your country?"

"Yes, of course, Mr Cameron. However, you need to take some EU Migrants as part of the deal."

Sorry no deal, how is BMW and VW doing, I hear they are in financial difficulty as they are not selling many to the UK now due to high inport costs.

But I must say we do have a good deal with Latin America and we are getting low price goods coming in now.

So Ms Merkel, do you want a deal or not?

[sealtt]

Pan Pan Pan said:

No. We had better not trust the duplicitous, corrupt a*seholes who told lies to the UK public.
Those who voted in 1975 weren't told much about what would happen if we joined, and most believed we were only joining a trading bloc, not a European superstate, headed by one particular member (for whom many had just lost relatives, and friends fighting to prevent them taking control over Europe militarily) Can anyone demonstrate that the UK has exactly the same level of influence over the direction of the EU, and how it is run as Germany? No didn't think so.
The EU has shown time and time again since 1975, that it cannot be trusted, and it most certainly cannot be trusted with regard to the UK`s relationship with the EU. And yet there are naïve idiots out there who have either not looked at what the EU has done in relation to the UK, or they have, but still want the UK to be controlled by a corrupt, self serving, unaccountable, unelected, bureaucratic money grabbing, money wasting elite in Brussels.

Was not a serious remark.

Honestly I believe this issue is far too complex (with such huge potential long term consequences on the very fabric of our society) for any member of the public to reasonably be expected to comprehend and rationally evaluate. So I would not trust any voter to necessarily make the right decision, the elderly, PHers and myself included.

[Einion Yrth]

sealtt said:

I would not trust any voter to necessarily make the right decision, the elderly, PHers and myself included.

I'd trust 'em more than any politician, even you.

[Timmy40]

I was all for the exit camp but the latest Government warning that if the UK leaves the EU my garden shed will burn down, the wife will have sex with the postman AND give me herpes and then my dog will die, has made me change my mind.