Brexit Poll 1/2/16
Poll: Brexit Poll 1/2/16
Total Members Polled: 1469
Discussion
Interesting reading of some recent Polls it seems like since Cameron began this ridiculous and very obvious daily scare storey trust in his position has plummeted. Much as I hate to say it I find myself agreeing with the Wee Crankie North of the Border, it's a tactic that's back firing badly.
Tomorrows release: UK more likely to receive a direct impact from a comet or ateroid if outside of the EU.
Tomorrows release: UK more likely to receive a direct impact from a comet or ateroid if outside of the EU.
Timmy40 said:
Interesting reading of some recent Polls it seems like since Cameron began this ridiculous and very obvious daily scare storey trust in his position has plummeted. Much as I hate to say it I find myself agreeing with the Wee Crankie North of the Border, it's a tactic that's back firing badly.
Tomorrows release: UK more likely to receive a direct impact from a comet or ateroid if outside of the EU.
This was exactly my gut feeling as well but there was some politics correspondent on the news the other night that suggested otherwise.Tomorrows release: UK more likely to receive a direct impact from a comet or ateroid if outside of the EU.
In her words: "They know exactly what they are doing. They know that negative campaigning alienates people but that it also serves its purpose" or similar.
The polls are all over the place on this but when you look at bookies odds, (as much as 1-8 for remaining) it suggests it might be working.
And as much as I support staying, there is not that much you can say beyond "If we stay we will remain the same" which is pretty lame when the Brexit campaign are inventing all kinds of 'facts' about leaving. The only way to fight this seems to be to invent all kinds of 'facts' about how terrifying leaving is.
blindswelledrat said:
And as much as I support staying, there is not that much you can say beyond "If we stay we will remain the same" which is pretty lame when the Brexit campaign are inventing all kinds of 'facts' about leaving. The only way to fight this seems to be to invent all kinds of 'facts' about how terrifying leaving is.
...or ignoring the fact that staying doesn't mean things will stay the same.CaptainSlow said:
blindswelledrat said:
And as much as I support staying, there is not that much you can say beyond "If we stay we will remain the same" which is pretty lame when the Brexit campaign are inventing all kinds of 'facts' about leaving. The only way to fight this seems to be to invent all kinds of 'facts' about how terrifying leaving is.
...or ignoring the fact that staying doesn't mean things will stay the same.turbobloke said:
CaptainSlow said:
blindswelledrat said:
And as much as I support staying, there is not that much you can say beyond "If we stay we will remain the same" which is pretty lame when the Brexit campaign are inventing all kinds of 'facts' about leaving. The only way to fight this seems to be to invent all kinds of 'facts' about how terrifying leaving is.
...or ignoring the fact that staying doesn't mean things will stay the same.blindswelledrat said:
Timmy40 said:
Interesting reading of some recent Polls it seems like since Cameron began this ridiculous and very obvious daily scare storey trust in his position has plummeted. Much as I hate to say it I find myself agreeing with the Wee Crankie North of the Border, it's a tactic that's back firing badly.
Tomorrows release: UK more likely to receive a direct impact from a comet or ateroid if outside of the EU.
This was exactly my gut feeling as well but there was some politics correspondent on the news the other night that suggested otherwise.Tomorrows release: UK more likely to receive a direct impact from a comet or ateroid if outside of the EU.
In her words: "They know exactly what they are doing. They know that negative campaigning alienates people but that it also serves its purpose" or similar.
The polls are all over the place on this but when you look at bookies odds, (as much as 1-8 for remaining) it suggests it might be working.
And as much as I support staying, there is not that much you can say beyond "If we stay we will remain the same" which is pretty lame when the Brexit campaign are inventing all kinds of 'facts' about leaving. The only way to fight this seems to be to invent all kinds of 'facts' about how terrifying leaving is.
k he actually said) press release. It is utterly ridiculous and fools very few people and finds sympathy only with those who live in blind terror of Brexit in the first instance. Digga said:
I think spammy Dave has dredged the bottom of the barrel with the "holidays to cost 200 quid more after Brexit" (or whatever the fk he actually said) press release. It is utterly ridiculous and fools very few people and finds sympathy only with those who live in blind terror of Brexit in the first instance.
I agree. I think the aim of the tactic though isn't to change anyones mind, what they are thinking ( probably rightly ) is that most people expect BREXIT to lose. But not by much. Which could lead to a situation where BREXIT voters are highly motivated to turn out whereas REMAIN voters ( who tend to be young ) don't bother. k he actually said) press release. It is utterly ridiculous and fools very few people and finds sympathy only with those who live in blind terror of Brexit in the first instance. Telling an 18 year old that a week in Cyprus with the chance of getting a shag of another drunken teenager might cost £200 more ( probably only going to cost £300 in the first place ) might just motivate them to vote.
Timmy40 said:
Telling an 18 year old that a week in Cyprus with the chance of getting a shag of another drunken teenager might cost £200 more ( probably only going to cost £300 in the first place ) might just motivate them to vote.
Precisely why Leave need to sell a positive message to younger voters - instead we get bks about the NHS (which to your average teenager is the GUM clinic) and Danniel Hannan speeches.Mario149 said:
NailedOn said:
The EU debate is NOT about immigration.
Glad that's clear.
http://news.sky.com/story/1700509/uk-becoming-more...
The fact that multiculturalism didn't work, that Blair failed to 'teach us a lesson,' is ALL YOUR FAULT.
You cannot blame the immigrants who are here and failed to:
Speak English
Obey the law (British not Sharia that is)
Respect their host country
Integrate
No, they are victims of racial/ethnic/something else discrimination.
They have rights but not responsibilities.
You, you, you white tax-paying bigot, you had better 'embrace' diversity.
Or else.
Remember, these people brought us, er:
Mosques
FGM
Terrorists
Burkas
What did you do for diversity? You bigot. From wherever.
Let's vote Remain and welcome the world to the NHS, social housing, contra flow and potholes.
C' mon in. Everybody else has!
Glad that's clear.
http://news.sky.com/story/1700509/uk-becoming-more...
The fact that multiculturalism didn't work, that Blair failed to 'teach us a lesson,' is ALL YOUR FAULT.
You cannot blame the immigrants who are here and failed to:
Speak English
Obey the law (British not Sharia that is)
Respect their host country
Integrate
No, they are victims of racial/ethnic/something else discrimination.
They have rights but not responsibilities.
You, you, you white tax-paying bigot, you had better 'embrace' diversity.
Or else.
Remember, these people brought us, er:
Mosques
FGM
Terrorists
Burkas
What did you do for diversity? You bigot. From wherever.
Let's vote Remain and welcome the world to the NHS, social housing, contra flow and potholes.
C' mon in. Everybody else has!
you do realise the immigrants you're talking about don't come from the EU right? And leaving will have no bearing on whether they come here or not? 8/10 for the rant though 
That’s all that matter to the kippers and Daily Express readers.
andymadmak said:
Exactly! We are not voting for the status quo or leave, we are voting for changed EU or leave. But no one can be sure what this changed EU will actually look like, or whether it will genuinely address the concerns of those who might be persuaded to vote to stay if the thing was sorted out properly.
I disagree.Anyone who can be bothered to read the first sentence of the Treaty of Rome can see exactly what it will look like.
Today's statement from Brussels is just another small, but essential step along the path.
“Proper identification of taxpayers is essential to effective exchange of information between tax administrations. The creation of European Taxpayer Identification Number (EU TIN) would provide the best means for this identification. It would allow any third party to quickly, easily and correctly identify and record TINs in cross-border relations and serve as a basis for effective automatic exchange of information between member states tax administrations.”
Our TIN card will, of course, have our photo on it. The card will soon be accepted across Europe as proof of identity. It is clear what is afoot here.
Phil1 said:
NailedOn said:
They’re foreign aren’t they?
That’s all that matter to the kippers and Daily Express readers.
Oh the irony. You believe 'kippers' have generalised bigoted beliefs and as such act in a generalised bigoted way towards them. That makes you the bigot.That’s all that matter to the kippers and Daily Express readers.
Timmy40 said:
Phil1 said:
NailedOn said:
They’re foreign aren’t they?
That’s all that matter to the kippers and Daily Express readers.
Oh the irony. You believe 'kippers' have generalised bigoted beliefs and as such act in a generalised bigoted way towards them. That makes you the bigot.That’s all that matter to the kippers and Daily Express readers.
Digga said:
Aside from looking at global trade, rather than a Euro-centric view of trade, a lot of Brexiters would like to see the right sort immigration - skills and requirements based - irrespective of colour or nationality. At the moment, that simply is not able to happen because of quotas.
Well that's certainly a reasonable, sound arguement to make but I'm sure sure how widespread that is amongst the great unwashed. I think that there's a lot of Brexitiers, those of the 'kipper persuasion mainly, who just want less immigration full stop. They don't want the strain on public service and don't want jonnny foreigner taking their jobs and benefits (rightly or wrongly).XJ40 said:
Digga said:
Aside from looking at global trade, rather than a Euro-centric view of trade, a lot of Brexiters would like to see the right sort immigration - skills and requirements based - irrespective of colour or nationality. At the moment, that simply is not able to happen because of quotas.
Well that's certainly a reasonable, sound arguement to make but I'm sure sure how widespread that is amongst the great unwashed. I think that there's a lot of Brexitiers, those of the 'kipper persuasion mainly, who just want less immigration full stop. They don't want the strain on public service and don't want jonnny foreigner taking their jobs and benefits (rightly or wrongly).don4l said:
andymadmak said:
Exactly! We are not voting for the status quo or leave, we are voting for changed EU or leave. But no one can be sure what this changed EU will actually look like, or whether it will genuinely address the concerns of those who might be persuaded to vote to stay if the thing was sorted out properly.
I disagree.Anyone who can be bothered to read the first sentence of the Treaty of Rome can see exactly what it will look like.
Today's statement from Brussels is just another small, but essential step along the path.
“Proper identification of taxpayers is essential to effective exchange of information between tax administrations. The creation of European Taxpayer Identification Number (EU TIN) would provide the best means for this identification. It would allow any third party to quickly, easily and correctly identify and record TINs in cross-border relations and serve as a basis for effective automatic exchange of information between member states tax administrations.”
Our TIN card will, of course, have our photo on it. The card will soon be accepted across Europe as proof of identity. It is clear what is afoot here.
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