Brexit Poll 1/2/16

[berlintaxi]

Rapid rental said:

Postal vote arrived today, after much deliberation, it boils down to mass immigration and the NHS being overun for me. I have voted to Leave.

Where are all these French, German and other EU states migrants hiding? The migrants all appear to be either Syrian,Afghani or African and leaving the EU will make no difference to them trying to come in, unless you are proposing completely sealing off the UK.

[s2art]

berlintaxi said:

Where are all these French, German and other EU states migrants hiding? The migrants all appear to be either Syrian,Afghani or African and leaving the EU will make no difference to them trying to come in, unless you are proposing completely sealing off the UK.

Huh? Why do you think they are hiding? The official stats probably underestimate the real figures but there was approx 230,000 (net 184,000) immigrants from the EU last year. Mainly from eastern and southern Europe. Nothing to do with M.E, few of them made it this far.

[PH XKR]

berlintaxi said:

Rapid rental said:

Postal vote arrived today, after much deliberation, it boils down to mass immigration and the NHS being overun for me. I have voted to Leave.

Where are all these French, German and other EU states migrants hiding? The migrants all appear to be either Syrian,Afghani or African and leaving the EU will make no difference to them trying to come in, unless you are proposing completely sealing off the UK.

All of them mostly come via Europe. All any EU state has to do is recognise them as a citizen or grant them entry and there is nothing we can do to prevent them coming in. If the French wanted to they could do this to everyone in Calais, granting them free access to the UK whilst solving their own issues.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

Jimboka said:

turbobloke said:

Jimboka said:

Regarding migration if Brexit win
What date will fellow EU citizens be stopped from moving to UK?
What happens to EU citizens already in UK?
What will happen to British who already live in mainland Europe?

Some thoughts on some of the above:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/18/eu-fact...

http://www.carterlaw.co.uk/if-britain-leaves-the-e...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/645667/Brex...

Looks like there is no actual plan from the Brexit camp then.

Not sure what you mean, that wasn't the question posed initially. It appeared to be a request for information but now looks more like a leading question. There was no requirement to list Leave sources.

Is there a suggestion that the Leave side should hold the hands of adults and tell them what their best options are when the people who can best work that out are the people involved, given that personal situations and priorities differ so widely?

Sure enough telling everyone what to do is an EU control freak type of government-knows-best response (it doesn't know best) but it's not necessary. With instability in the EZ growing (Spain), like quite a few other people I got rid of property there and closed my bank account. There was no instruction booklet. The same principle applies to EU nationals living here.

Apologies, a leading question as I thought I had missed something concrete from the Brexit camp in this area.
I genuinely do not know what Brexit are campaigning for on this subject. Stop EU migration, what does that mean? The day after the referendum? In 6 months? Giving 6 months notice to the world & his wife to pile into the UK?
I guess the reality will be some trade off to allow EU citizens here to remain in exchange for Brits abroad being given the same pass.

[berlintaxi]

s2art said:

berlintaxi said:

Where are all these French, German and other EU states migrants hiding? The migrants all appear to be either Syrian,Afghani or African and leaving the EU will make no difference to them trying to come in, unless you are proposing completely sealing off the UK.

Huh? Why do you think they are hiding? The official stats probably underestimate the real figures but there was approx 230,000 (net 184,000) immigrants from the EU last year. Mainly from eastern and southern Europe. Nothing to do with M.E, few of them made it this far.

The vast majority of EU citizens who migrate to the UK come to fulfil jobs and return within a few years to their home country.

[johnxjsc1985]

appears the Poll gap is narrowing and it will be a close run referendum.

[turbobloke]

Interesting times.

[PH XKR]

which poll gap?

[Foliage]

Polls are all well and good but how many of you will actually take the time to go vote, remember to vote, not make an excuse to not work like being at work etc..

[Esseesse]

Foliage said:

Polls are all well and good but how many of you will actually take the time to go vote, remember to vote, not make an excuse to not work like being at work etc..

Who's going to miss this one? This is a big one...

[loafer123]

Foliage said:

Polls are all well and good but how many of you will actually take the time to go vote, remember to vote, not make an excuse to not work like being at work etc..

That is the key. Leavers are much more likely to vote.

[Esseesse]

loafer123 said:

Foliage said:

Polls are all well and good but how many of you will actually take the time to go vote, remember to vote, not make an excuse to not work like being at work etc..

That is the key. Leavers are much more likely to vote.

I don't know how the count comes in, but if it's by constituency and it looks like leave is even just a 1% ahead it will be absolute TV gold watching Alistair Campbell, Clegg and the like.

[Timmy40]

loafer123 said:

Foliage said:

Polls are all well and good but how many of you will actually take the time to go vote, remember to vote, not make an excuse to not work like being at work etc..

That is the key. Leavers are much more likely to vote.

if nothing else because of demographics. It's well known that in elections the over 50's are far more likely to vote than the under 25's.

The over 50's are 2/3 in favour of leaving. The under 25's are 2/3 in favour of remain. The middle group are even.

So I suspect unless there is a huge internet/mobile outage that takes down snapchat/beebo/arsebook and stter the under 25's will be too busy in the virtual world to vote in the real one.

My mother is very laid back/gentle but is fuming like a kettle of p*ss about what she sees as every promise make in 1975 having been broken and is champing at the bit to do the V's to Europe. I suspect ( no I know she's not the only one ).

I'm much more even really, I can see both view points.

My kid-sister in law is probably most concerned over the risk of having to spend £200 more next year on a trip to Ibiza, but I suspect like her bf won't be arsed to vote.

So I can quite believe the demographic argument.

[Esseesse]

Timmy40 said:

So I suspect unless there is a huge internet/mobile outage that takes down snapchat/beebo/arsebook and stter the under 25's will be too busy in the virtual world to vote in the real one.

Glastonbury is on when the vote takes place. Also European football, not sure which way that might swing it or not.

[Rapid rental]

berlintaxi. I think this sums the answer up to your question, as long as they can get into the fluid Europa borders, they can end up here sucking the benefits system and NHS dry. Far too many health tourists coming here to have kids/cancer treatments etc etc.

PH XKR said:

berlintaxi said:

Rapid rental said:

Postal vote arrived today, after much deliberation, it boils down to mass immigration and the NHS being overun for me. I have voted to Leave.

Where are all these French, German and other EU states migrants hiding? The migrants all appear to be either Syrian,Afghani or African and leaving the EU will make no difference to them trying to come in, unless you are proposing completely sealing off the UK.

All of them mostly come via Europe. All any EU state has to do is recognise them as a citizen or grant them entry and there is nothing we can do to prevent them coming in. If the French wanted to they could do this to everyone in Calais, granting them free access to the UK whilst solving their own issues.

Edited by Rapid rental on Tuesday 31st May 12:56

Edited by Rapid rental on Tuesday 31st May 12:57

[berlintaxi]

Rapid rental said:

berlintaxi. I think this sums the answer up to your question, as long as they can get into the fluid Europa borders, they can end up here sucking the benefits system and NHS dry. Far too many health tourists coming here to have kids/cancer treatments etc etc.

PH XKR said:

berlintaxi said:

Rapid rental said:

Postal vote arrived today, after much deliberation, it boils down to mass immigration and the NHS being overun for me. I have voted to Leave.

Where are all these French, German and other EU states migrants hiding? The migrants all appear to be either Syrian,Afghani or African and leaving the EU will make no difference to them trying to come in, unless you are proposing completely sealing off the UK.

All of them mostly come via Europe. All any EU state has to do is recognise them as a citizen or grant them entry and there is nothing we can do to prevent them coming in. If the French wanted to they could do this to everyone in Calais, granting them free access to the UK whilst solving their own issues.

Edited by Rapid rental on Tuesday 31st May 12:56

Edited by Rapid rental on Tuesday 31st May 12:57

The ones jumping out of lorries or crossing the channel in inflatables are obviously not citizens of the EU, so how do you think leaving the EU will solve this issue?

The majority of people taking advantage of health tourism are either from the Indian subcontinent or ex pat Brits, again how would leaving the EU resolve this?

[Foliage]

berlintaxi said:

Rapid rental said:

berlintaxi. I think this sums the answer up to your question, as long as they can get into the fluid Europa borders, they can end up here sucking the benefits system and NHS dry. Far too many health tourists coming here to have kids/cancer treatments etc etc.

PH XKR said:

berlintaxi said:

Rapid rental said:

Postal vote arrived today, after much deliberation, it boils down to mass immigration and the NHS being overun for me. I have voted to Leave.

Where are all these French, German and other EU states migrants hiding? The migrants all appear to be either Syrian,Afghani or African and leaving the EU will make no difference to them trying to come in, unless you are proposing completely sealing off the UK.

All of them mostly come via Europe. All any EU state has to do is recognise them as a citizen or grant them entry and there is nothing we can do to prevent them coming in. If the French wanted to they could do this to everyone in Calais, granting them free access to the UK whilst solving their own issues.

Edited by Rapid rental on Tuesday 31st May 12:56

Edited by Rapid rental on Tuesday 31st May 12:57

The ones jumping out of lorries or crossing the channel in inflatables are obviously not citizens of the EU, so how do you think leaving the EU will solve this issue?

The majority of people taking advantage of health tourism are either from the Indian subcontinent or ex pat Brits, again how would leaving the EU resolve this?

Its not even a minor issue, ignore what the papers say about it they are just trying to sell papers by spouting vitriol that will get them advertising revenue.

We do need to get control of our borders but that's for our incompetent border agency to do whether we are in the EU or not. As for NHS tourist, just send them a bill, if they don't pay ban them and their family from entering the country until they do. But NHS tourism is far less of a problem than the papers make it out to be, its such a small percentage of what it costs to run the NHS its negligible.

[Rapid rental]

Agreed, they are not EU citizens that are landing in inflatables etc but the EU is allowing them in from the East and they are travelling without any restriction whatsoever the length of Europe to get here, as they know we are a soft touch. If the EU was up to the job these immigrants would be fingerprinted and processed where they arrive in Europe. Then my understanding is that they must claim refuge status in that country, not go looking for a better deal at the other end of the continent. If we left the EU, we could run border controls like the Australian system they dont take any messing. Or even do as the US has implemented, no electronic passport no entry.

Look at the Aussies, its a simple process, no visa, no entry. No fruit or veg by personal import, no bush meat no seeds and no extended leave of stay in the country once your immigration application is rejected, due to the human rights act. Which i am sure wasnt designed to help muslim fanatics stay here and get legal aid paid for by UK tax payers, whilst spouting the destruction of the very country that they are living in.

I understand that the NHS is losing circa £330 million a year in unrecovered health tourism bills. I would rather the money was spent giving a brit a £20000 course of life extending cancer drugs. Thats a lot of end of life care we could give people rather than the recent example of a Nigerian lady who was in the news, she flew in to the UK, lied about how far gone pregnancy wise she was and then gave birth in an NHS hospital. The birth was difficult and cost the NHS £130k in total, soon as she could she was off back to Nigeria and who do you think is paying for it now?

Britain knows how to trade, we built the biggest empire the world ever saw on the back of trade and whilst times have certainly moved on, dont forget our biggest export around the world was democracy, which is what the EU isnt, its a cosy cabal for the few in Brussels.

There are a wealth of quality people in the UK that can re establish trade routes and negotiate deals. Re build our fishing fleet and fish our own waters, import New Zealand lamb again and export more to the commonwealth. These are simple examples of what can be done in a paragraph.

berlintaxi said:

The ones jumping out of lorries or crossing the channel in inflatables are obviously not citizens of the EU, so how do you think leaving the EU will solve this issue?

The majority of people taking advantage of health tourism are either from the Indian subcontinent or ex pat Brits, again how would leaving the EU resolve this?

[Axionknight]

Esseesse said:

Timmy40 said:

So I suspect unless there is a huge internet/mobile outage that takes down snapchat/beebo/arsebook and stter the under 25's will be too busy in the virtual world to vote in the real one.

Glastonbury is on when the vote takes place. Also European football, not sure which way that might swing it or not.

Postal voting is available to those pre registered to do so. Some may have boxed clever in anticipation.

[berlintaxi]

Import New Zealand lamb again? Was not aware we had ever stopped seeing as 79% of all lamb imported into the UK between 2013 and April 2015 came from New Zealand whilst the amount of lamb imported from Europe fell during the same period.

Referring to the empire and trading with the commonwealth is all a bit naive in my opinion