Brexit Poll 1/2/16

[markh1973]

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

Eh! He said a couple worth worth trading with given mix of population/distance.

You have named one so not disproved his point at all.

Maybe you should have read his post properly instead of suggesting he check his facts.

[///ajd]

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

So what you're saying Don is we should be more like India with 7% growth / year?

Does this mean the average wage in India - which is £200/month - is growing by £14/year?

You want us to emulate this economy Don? Is that your well researched point?

[don4l]

///ajd said:

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

So what you're saying Don is we should be more like India with 7% growth / year?

Does this mean the average wage in India - which is £200/month - is growing by £14/year?

You want us to emulate this economy Don? Is that your well researched point?

Once again, you are just making stuff up.

Forgive me if I don't bother answering your irrelevant questions.

[turbobloke]

don4l said:

///ajd said:

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

So what you're saying Don is we should be more like India with 7% growth / year?

Does this mean the average wage in India - which is £200/month - is growing by £14/year?

You want us to emulate this economy Don? Is that your well researched point?

Once again, you are just making stuff up.

Same story on the No To The EU thread.

[NoNeed]

How I see the economic/trade problem

We have a trade deficit with thr EU of £61 Billion yet our trade with the rest of the world is in a £25 Billiob surplus. This is according to the BBC fact checker thingy.

Now If leaving causes a drop in trade with the EU, how big would that drop be????

And could we then make up the difference with extra trade from the rest of the world given that we would then be free to do our own deals???


These are the kind of questions we need answered so that I can get of the fence.

[don4l]

turbobloke said:

don4l said:

///ajd said:

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

So what you're saying Don is we should be more like India with 7% growth / year?

Does this mean the average wage in India - which is £200/month - is growing by £14/year?

You want us to emulate this economy Don? Is that your well researched point?

Once again, you are just making stuff up.

Same story on the No To The EU thread.

The remainers do themselves no favours by employing this tactic.

They appear to think that we are too thick to see through their shallow nonsense.

This morning, on R4, we had Anna Soubry going on about the demographic of the typical "leave" voter. Apparently we tend to be old, pale and male. She managed to leave out "uneducated" but it was implied.

Well done Anna.

I've voted Conservative for most of my life.

You have just told me what you think of my vote.

Michael Gove is my local MP, but I won't vote for him if he is still in the same party as quislings like you... and Cameron.

[///ajd]

don4l said:

///ajd said:

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

So what you're saying Don is we should be more like India with 7% growth / year?

Does this mean the average wage in India - which is £200/month - is growing by £14/year?

You want us to emulate this economy Don? Is that your well researched point?

Once again, you are just making stuff up.

Forgive me if I don't bother answering your irrelevant questions.

Genius!

I point out the massive hole in your argument.

And instead of trying to counter it you accuse of making stuff up - just like vote leave!

Perhaps I was too subtle, do you think Indian growth rates might be in any way related to the fact its a low income economy? The £200 average wage / month is not made up, thats real.

To really spell it out, comparing our growth to such an economy is patently nonsense, but you carry on, its amusing.

[Tony427]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/31/uk...


Still all to play for. Even with the polls at parity, the age demographics with any voter turnout figure, no matter how high, will push Leave over the line in the lead. Remain need a clear and consistent 6 to 7% lead in the polls to win.

Can they get their vote out, influence the undecided, and scare the fickle without the apparatus of government behind them.

Is the sight of Cameron standing next to Sadiq Khan the guy he labelled as a friend of terrorists, just because he's now mayor, enough for you to disbelieve anything Dave the liar tells us?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/...

And have the wheels started to come off the Remain bus as labour is now splitting in a similar manner

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sadi...

as the freedom fighters in the Life of Brian?

Whatever it is, this referendum is not boring.


Cheers,

Tony

Edited by Tony427 on Tuesday 31st May 21:10

[BlackLabel]

Tony427 said:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/31/uk...

It's interesting that the ICM poll also shows that nearly 40 per cent of Labour voters back a Brexit.

[turbobloke]

///ajd said:

I point out the massive hole in your (don4l) argument.

No kidding.

That's an independent, neutral view as well. Righty ho.

[Jockman]

It's interesting to see the argy bargy between the 2 camps on the TV now.

Some people actually believe their vote will make a difference. Unbelievable.

[robm3]

You guys will never be allowed to leave. Even if the public vote is to leave it'll be watered down, tied up legally and lastly flatly refused by the government. Naturally this will occur over many years.

When the Irish were given a vote to accept the EU 'Treaty of Lisbon' e.g. tying them further into the EU, they voted against. So instead of honoring the public's wishes and proceeding to withdraw, the government did another referendum two years later till they got the vote they wanted.

Don't be so naive to think a similar story won't occur in the UK.

"Too entrenched to be allowed to leave...."

[berlintaxi]

don4l said:

Michael Gove is my local MP, but I won't vote for him if he is still in the same party as quislings like you... and Cameron.

[Benbay001]

robm3 said:

You guys will never be allowed to leave. Even if the public vote is to leave it'll be watered down, tied up legally and lastly flatly refused by the government. Naturally this will occur over many years.

When the Irish were given a vote to accept the EU 'Treaty of Lisbon' e.g. tying them further into the EU, they voted against. So instead of honoring the public's wishes and proceeding to withdraw, the government did another referendum two years later till they got the vote they wanted.

Don't be so naive to think a similar story won't occur in the UK.

"Too entrenched to be allowed to leave...."

Doesnt mean we wont/shouldnt try!

[Jockman]

ICM poll has brexit 4 points ahead now. Putting it down to a bank holiday anomaly ?

[don4l]

///ajd said:

don4l said:

///ajd said:

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

So what you're saying Don is we should be more like India with 7% growth / year?

Does this mean the average wage in India - which is £200/month - is growing by £14/year?

You want us to emulate this economy Don? Is that your well researched point?

Once again, you are just making stuff up.

Forgive me if I don't bother answering your irrelevant questions.

Genius!

I point out the massive hole in your argument.

And instead of trying to counter it you accuse of making stuff up - just like vote leave!

Perhaps I was too subtle, do you think Indian growth rates might be in any way related to the fact its a low income economy? The £200 average wage / month is not made up, thats real.

To really spell it out, comparing our growth to such an economy is patently nonsense, but you carry on, its amusing.

You didn't point out a massive hole in my argument.

You invented something that I didn't say. You then proceeded to argue against your invention. You now want me to defend myself against your invention.

You compared our growth against India's. I did no such thing.

You are absolutely correct when you say "To really spell it out, comparing our growth to such an economy is patently nonsense". However, I did not say that... you did.

Do me a favour.

If you want to disagree with me, then please disagree with something that I actually wrote.

Don't make stuff up and then try to falsely attribute it to me.

[crankedup]

Our local poll of Bury st Edmunxds indicates a two thirds in favour to leave. The town is staunch Tory.

[///ajd]

don4l said:

///ajd said:

don4l said:

///ajd said:

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

So what you're saying Don is we should be more like India with 7% growth / year?

Does this mean the average wage in India - which is £200/month - is growing by £14/year?

You want us to emulate this economy Don? Is that your well researched point?

Once again, you are just making stuff up.

Forgive me if I don't bother answering your irrelevant questions.

Genius!

I point out the massive hole in your argument.

And instead of trying to counter it you accuse of making stuff up - just like vote leave!

Perhaps I was too subtle, do you think Indian growth rates might be in any way related to the fact its a low income economy? The £200 average wage / month is not made up, thats real.

To really spell it out, comparing our growth to such an economy is patently nonsense, but you carry on, its amusing.

You didn't point out a massive hole in my argument.

You invented something that I didn't say. You then proceeded to argue against your invention. You now want me to defend myself against your invention.

You compared our growth against India's. I did no such thing.

You are absolutely correct when you say "To really spell it out, comparing our growth to such an economy is patently nonsense". However, I did not say that... you did.

Do me a favour.

If you want to disagree with me, then please disagree with something that I actually wrote.

Don't make stuff up and then try to falsely attribute it to me.

You have said it Don, remember when we were discussing how UK had climbed rankings of GDP since being in the EU? You were keen to quote higher growth in countries outside the EU then as a comparison to try and undermine the inconvenient fact that the UK has done OK in global terms since joining the EU. Have you changed your view on that now, or do you want me to trawl back and quote it for you? Do you now admit it is pointless to compare growth in india to growth in the UK?

[PH XKR]

Except it didn't join the EU, it joined the EEC

[don4l]

///ajd said:

don4l said:

///ajd said:

don4l said:

///ajd said:

don4l said:

berlintaxi said:

And from that list how many have markets of a size which make it economically worth trading with the distances involved, only a couple.

Look at it again and stop being so silly.

India alone was twice the population of the EU and has a rapidly expanding economy. It has grown at an average annual rate of 7% for the past 20 years.

Why don't you check your facts before posting nonsense?

So what you're saying Don is we should be more like India with 7% growth / year?

Does this mean the average wage in India - which is £200/month - is growing by £14/year?

You want us to emulate this economy Don? Is that your well researched point?

Once again, you are just making stuff up.

Forgive me if I don't bother answering your irrelevant questions.

Genius!

I point out the massive hole in your argument.

And instead of trying to counter it you accuse of making stuff up - just like vote leave!

Perhaps I was too subtle, do you think Indian growth rates might be in any way related to the fact its a low income economy? The £200 average wage / month is not made up, thats real.

To really spell it out, comparing our growth to such an economy is patently nonsense, but you carry on, its amusing.

You didn't point out a massive hole in my argument.

You invented something that I didn't say. You then proceeded to argue against your invention. You now want me to defend myself against your invention.

You compared our growth against India's. I did no such thing.

You are absolutely correct when you say "To really spell it out, comparing our growth to such an economy is patently nonsense". However, I did not say that... you did.

Do me a favour.

If you want to disagree with me, then please disagree with something that I actually wrote.

Don't make stuff up and then try to falsely attribute it to me.

You have said it Don, remember when we were discussing how UK had climbed rankings of GDP since being in the EU? You were keen to quote higher growth in countries outside the EU then as a comparison to try and undermine the inconvenient fact that the UK has done OK in global terms since joining the EU. Have you changed your view on that now, or do you want me to trawl back and quote it for you? Do you now admit it is pointless to compare growth in india to growth in the UK?

You cannot help yourself, can you?

I never compared growth in India with growth in the UK.

Once again, please do not make stuff up and falsely attribute it to me.

If you want to trawl through my posts, then feel free. Just quote things that I actually said. If you feel the need to start a sentence with "So you are saying...", then I will ignore you.