So who wants to remain in the EU?
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Some interesting data.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
article said:
University educated people are most likely to want to stay in the EU
When it comes to social class and education, those with university education are most likely to be pro-EU - with 62 per cent of graduates wishing to remain in Europe.
Those belonging to the AB social class - usually in higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations - support the EU by 56 to 44 per cent.
Meanwhile, people in the lower DE and C2 social grades have net dissatisfaction with the institution. Ukip has attempted to re-brand itself as a party for the working class, and so it will try and boost turnout in this eurosceptic group.
And from yougov.When it comes to social class and education, those with university education are most likely to be pro-EU - with 62 per cent of graduates wishing to remain in Europe.
Those belonging to the AB social class - usually in higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations - support the EU by 56 to 44 per cent.
Meanwhile, people in the lower DE and C2 social grades have net dissatisfaction with the institution. Ukip has attempted to re-brand itself as a party for the working class, and so it will try and boost turnout in this eurosceptic group.
anonymous said:
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That's not really what's being said.article said:
Greens love the EU while Ukip loathe it
The poll also examined the voting intentions of voters for all the major parties.
Conservative and Labour voters were the most divided on the issue - with Tories erring towards leaving the EU and the majority of Labour voters wishing to remain.
Unsurprisingly, among Ukip voters, the EU is incredibly unpopular, with 72 per cent wishing to leave. This comes as Nigel Farage wrote in The Telegraph: "leaving the EU is more important than party politics".
More surprisingly, however, 28 per cent of Ukip voters still back the EU - despite Ukip's deputy chairman Suzanna Evans saying the figure is "zero".
Green party voters were most in favour of continued EU membership.
The poll also examined the voting intentions of voters for all the major parties.
Conservative and Labour voters were the most divided on the issue - with Tories erring towards leaving the EU and the majority of Labour voters wishing to remain.
Unsurprisingly, among Ukip voters, the EU is incredibly unpopular, with 72 per cent wishing to leave. This comes as Nigel Farage wrote in The Telegraph: "leaving the EU is more important than party politics".
More surprisingly, however, 28 per cent of Ukip voters still back the EU - despite Ukip's deputy chairman Suzanna Evans saying the figure is "zero".
Green party voters were most in favour of continued EU membership.
In one way I suppose this breakdown is “bear craps in woods” stuff but, if it is fairly accurate (big if of course) it answers a few questions but raises a number of others.
I am often intrigued by the virulent anti-EU stance taken by so many posters on PH, which does not seem to be to be anywhere near representative of the country as a whole, or at least the parts of it that I inhabit and talk to people in (OK for 10 months of the year – mentioned just in case Alfie turns up and tries to make an issue out of it ). UKIP supporters are very prevalent on PH, we get a lot of links posted to Wail, Torygraph and Express articles (so some people on here must be reading them), and there are certainly large numbers of us (me included) that fall into the 60+ age group.
I find the results very interesting amongst younger people, with strong support for EU membership from them up to age 49.
We all know that at the end of the day referenda do not resolve anything. As with the Scottish question, whichever side “loses” the EU referendum is not going to shut up and go away. We would have expected the likes of UKIP to keep banging on even if the country votes to stay in, but that high number of younger pro-EU voters does make me think that, even if we vote to come out, another referendum to try to get the UK back in again will be along shortly.
Just my take on the matter.
I am often intrigued by the virulent anti-EU stance taken by so many posters on PH, which does not seem to be to be anywhere near representative of the country as a whole, or at least the parts of it that I inhabit and talk to people in (OK for 10 months of the year – mentioned just in case Alfie turns up and tries to make an issue out of it ). UKIP supporters are very prevalent on PH, we get a lot of links posted to Wail, Torygraph and Express articles (so some people on here must be reading them), and there are certainly large numbers of us (me included) that fall into the 60+ age group.
I find the results very interesting amongst younger people, with strong support for EU membership from them up to age 49.
We all know that at the end of the day referenda do not resolve anything. As with the Scottish question, whichever side “loses” the EU referendum is not going to shut up and go away. We would have expected the likes of UKIP to keep banging on even if the country votes to stay in, but that high number of younger pro-EU voters does make me think that, even if we vote to come out, another referendum to try to get the UK back in again will be along shortly.
Just my take on the matter.
These polls have about as much credibility as...
...the polls that predicted a hung parliament last year.
I think we are probably better off in the EU rather than out.
This is no way encourages me to believe that Britain won't vote for Brexit with a landslide. PH certainly isn't a predictor of the outcome - but you can't spend the last twenty years blaming the EU for regulation, "fighting for Britain's vetoes" from EU law and generally complaining and disrespecting the institution and expect the average UK citizen to look favourably on staying in.
Now, of course, I could be wrong. Who knows, eh? But I know the way it looks to me...
...the polls that predicted a hung parliament last year.
I think we are probably better off in the EU rather than out.
This is no way encourages me to believe that Britain won't vote for Brexit with a landslide. PH certainly isn't a predictor of the outcome - but you can't spend the last twenty years blaming the EU for regulation, "fighting for Britain's vetoes" from EU law and generally complaining and disrespecting the institution and expect the average UK citizen to look favourably on staying in.
Now, of course, I could be wrong. Who knows, eh? But I know the way it looks to me...
rs1952 said:
I am often intrigued by the virulent anti-EU stance taken by so many posters on PH, which does not seem to be to be anywhere near representative of the country as a whole, or at least the parts of it that I inhabit and talk to people in
Where I work, most people I speak to seem to be pro EU membership but against the eurocrats themselves. Oddly though, they tend to be Conservative voters and university educated. I expect that's because it is a pan european organisation. Who would the replacment trade partners be if we left and IF Germany, France & Poland decided to block UK imports and services to europe??
Its pretty clear, they would throw their toys out of the pram, if the UK stopped paying intra to cover their inflated farm subsidies and unemployment benefits.
Its pretty clear, they would throw their toys out of the pram, if the UK stopped paying intra to cover their inflated farm subsidies and unemployment benefits.
Foliage said:
Im kinda undecided. I thought we should leave but I don't have enough information to decide and the information I can find always seems to be bias one way or the other...
Despite doing quite a lot of research on the subject, I've found no conclusive evidence of us being better off out of the EU or better off in the EU. I get the feeling that as we approach the voting day it will become no easier, and probably impossible, to discern the committed from the informed. If it remains that way then I'll vote to stay. My reasoning? There's a risk in leaving, a leap into the unknown. All four of my kids, and all four of their partners, want to stay in, all for various reasons, so it is, at the moment, done and dusted for me.
I'm old, left school at 15, am poor, but consider myself intelligent. Of my kid's other halves, one is Japanese, one is half Irish (as am I) and one is half Polish, so we are rather an international family and insularity is not a major character defect.
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