So who wants to remain in the EU?
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Even the Morning Start supports exit! http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-9f4c-The-oppo...
el stovey said:
Looks like.
Pro EU tend to be = clever people, good jobs, well educated, left wing, young.
Against EU tend to be = Less educated, not so good jobs, right wing, old.
You seem to be confusing Lefties, Guardian readers and Independent readers with well educated and clever people. Pro EU tend to be = clever people, good jobs, well educated, left wing, young.
Against EU tend to be = Less educated, not so good jobs, right wing, old.
I would have put the majority of the posters on this site as politically centre, mid to high income. Most are skilled/professional articulate people but there seems to be a massive majority in favour of out or leaning that way. I suspect these polls predicting an in vote will turn out to be nearly as accurate as the last GE polls. It really does not seem to be party political or educational/income based at all.
Derek Smith said:
Despite doing quite a lot of research on the subject, I've found no conclusive evidence of us being better off out of the EU or better off in the EU. I get the feeling that as we approach the voting day it will become no easier, and probably impossible, to discern the committed from the informed. If it remains that way then I'll vote to stay.
My reasoning? There's a risk in leaving, a leap into the unknown. All four of my kids, and all four of their partners, want to stay in, all for various reasons, so it is, at the moment, done and dusted for me.
I'm old, left school at 15, am poor, but consider myself intelligent. Of my kid's other halves, one is Japanese, one is half Irish (as am I) and one is half Polish, so we are rather an international family and insularity is not a major character defect.
Did your research cover the period before 1973? You know, the bit about trading with the world etc. Real insular stuff.My reasoning? There's a risk in leaving, a leap into the unknown. All four of my kids, and all four of their partners, want to stay in, all for various reasons, so it is, at the moment, done and dusted for me.
I'm old, left school at 15, am poor, but consider myself intelligent. Of my kid's other halves, one is Japanese, one is half Irish (as am I) and one is half Polish, so we are rather an international family and insularity is not a major character defect.
jshell said:
Even the Morning Start supports exit! http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-9f4c-The-oppo...
"...because it sees the EU as an irreformable capitalist monolith..."Mandalore said:
Who would the replacment trade partners be if we left and IF Germany, France & Poland decided to block UK imports and services to europe??
Its pretty clear, they would throw their toys out of the pram, if the UK stopped paying intra to cover their inflated farm subsidies and unemployment benefits.
We buy masses of Audis, BMWs, Mercs and loads of other German stuff. What do we sell the Germans?Its pretty clear, they would throw their toys out of the pram, if the UK stopped paying intra to cover their inflated farm subsidies and unemployment benefits.
Sod all. A trade war with us is the last thing they want.
Mandalore said:
Who would the replacment trade partners be if we left and IF Germany, France & Poland decided to block UK imports and services to europe??
Its pretty clear, they would throw their toys out of the pram, if the UK stopped paying intra to cover their inflated farm subsidies and unemployment benefits.
We have a trade deficit with all three. They'd have to be pretty dumb to try it surely?Its pretty clear, they would throw their toys out of the pram, if the UK stopped paying intra to cover their inflated farm subsidies and unemployment benefits.
Quick google shows this - a couple of years out of date but you get the idea
Mandalore said:
Who would the replacment trade partners be if we left and IF Germany, France & Poland decided to block UK imports and services to europe??
Its pretty clear, they would throw their toys out of the pram, if the UK stopped paying intra to cover their inflated farm subsidies and unemployment benefits.
So you mean IF Europe decided to cut itself off from it's largest single export market at a time when the EU economy is already teetering on falling back into recession? Do you really think there is even the remotest chance they would do that? Its pretty clear, they would throw their toys out of the pram, if the UK stopped paying intra to cover their inflated farm subsidies and unemployment benefits.
Surely this says more about 'University Education' than anything else. This measure would exclude some of the smartest and richest people in the UK. You didn't need a degree to be the Floor Manager at McDonalds some twenty years ago. Also this brings us to another issue of what defines working class - funny how the New Labourites sneer at their former constituents. For example the guy that came round to clean my curtains this morning - is he working class and why should his opinion matter less than mine, or even the media-studies educated nitwit who works in a Lettings Agent?
Now if we could filter it down to people with 'useful' degrees .. just saying!
(Fido Msc)
Now if we could filter it down to people with 'useful' degrees .. just saying!
(Fido Msc)
Edited by fido on Wednesday 3rd February 14:59
el stovey said:
...clever people, good jobs, well educated, left wing, young...
They are not at home at 6pm, probably don't have land lines and certainly don't spend 10 minutes giving personal socio-economic information to cold callers. The sample size might be relatively large but the sample isn't random it's massively biased so I doub't your conclusions (granted made partly in jest) hold any water. Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 3rd February 15:04
jshell said:
Even the Morning Start supports exit! http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-9f4c-The-oppo...
Even? They have been against since before we went in.el stovey said:
I was surprised that generally older people want to leave the EU. I thought usually they are the group that vote for no change and stability.
Well the pluses for older people are they: have wisdom/experience, know what bullsh8t smells like, know what life was like before the EU. Not saying they are always right, far from it, but they have had more years to understand how the world works. And doesn't. Like the EU.fatjon said:
You seem to be confusing Lefties, Guardian readers and Independent readers with well educated and clever people.
I would have put the majority of the posters on this site as politically centre, mid to high income. Most are skilled/professional articulate people but there seems to be a massive majority in favour of out or leaning that way. I suspect these polls predicting an in vote will turn out to be nearly as accurate as the last GE polls. It really does not seem to be party political or educational/income based at all.
hahahaha, serious, politically centre?I would have put the majority of the posters on this site as politically centre, mid to high income. Most are skilled/professional articulate people but there seems to be a massive majority in favour of out or leaning that way. I suspect these polls predicting an in vote will turn out to be nearly as accurate as the last GE polls. It really does not seem to be party political or educational/income based at all.
PH is about as right wing a forum of this size there is.
Zod said:
They want things to be the way they were when they were brought up. Everything was perfect then.
And you could argue it the other way, that those born after Thatcher/Major/EU may only know about life under Labour, (and evil Tory austerity), EU and how the sun shines out of its backside ..Edited by fido on Wednesday 3rd February 15:17
el stovey said:
I was surprised that generally older people want to leave the EU. I thought usually they are the group that vote for no change and stability.
The change/upheaval that affected them was when the initial idea of just trading with Europe later became an issue of losing control to a Federal Europe. They want to undo that change and go back to *just* the trading.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff