So who wants to remain in the EU?
Discussion
Wills2 said:
I'm going to vote to stay in the EU, after all our bureaucrats are no better and just as wasteful as theirs.
I've got time for Farage but it's all black and white to him and it really isn't, it's a grey soup whether we're in or out, so I'd rather not have the hassle and uncertainty that a vote to leave result would give.
I do think the current renegotiation around welfare changes etc is a good thing and I'd like to see reform across the board and a fairer settlement for the UK but within the EU.
Fair enough, you're going with the status quo. I daresay that many others will also follow the 'safe' route.I've got time for Farage but it's all black and white to him and it really isn't, it's a grey soup whether we're in or out, so I'd rather not have the hassle and uncertainty that a vote to leave result would give.
I do think the current renegotiation around welfare changes etc is a good thing and I'd like to see reform across the board and a fairer settlement for the UK but within the EU.
I'm getting far more interested in the sort of issues highlighted by others, where we should be thinking far more about all of the benefits of leaving the EU. I am coming to the view that, as a nation, we could all find that we have an unexpected fresh start, an exciting period when we retake control of our own lives, and a renewed enthusiasm for a better life for all of us.
tangerine_sedge said:
don4l said:
bedwetters
So anyone supporting the 'in' vote is a bedwetter? Great debating skills...
The other reason he didn't get a reply is that he already knows the answer as well as I do. The UK treasury would not be £55m per day better off if we left the EU, or anywhere near it. That figure is the gross contribution and doesn't take into account things we get back. Its propaganda, pure and simple, aimed at the dense and uneducated in order to swing their votes..
It's a bit like saying "I pay my Council Tax and get nothing for it." Except the bins emptied, and the parks maintained, and the street lights, and the roads repaired (OK usually poorly these days but still some work gets done), and the police and fire services, and so one. But that, apparently, to the hard of understanding, doesn't count. They just pay out the money and get nothing back
Don just likes winding people up. And anybody who doesn't agree with him is a leftie. Until now. Now we're bedwetters as well
rs1952 said:
That's one of the reasons why he didn't get a reply. Don, here's a tip - you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar
The other reason he didn't get a reply is that he already knows the answer as well as I do. The UK treasury would not be £55m per day better off if we left the EU, or anywhere near it. That figure is the gross contribution and doesn't take into account things we get back. Its propaganda, pure and simple, aimed at the dense and uneducated in order to swing their votes..
It's a bit like saying "I pay my Council Tax and get nothing for it." Except the bins emptied, and the parks maintained, and the street lights, and the roads repaired (OK usually poorly these days but still some work gets done), and the police and fire services, and so one. But that, apparently, to the hard of understanding, doesn't count. They just pay out the money and get nothing back
Don just likes winding people up. And anybody who doesn't agree with him is a leftie. Until now. Now we're bedwetters as well
Can I have a list of these "things we get back", please?The other reason he didn't get a reply is that he already knows the answer as well as I do. The UK treasury would not be £55m per day better off if we left the EU, or anywhere near it. That figure is the gross contribution and doesn't take into account things we get back. Its propaganda, pure and simple, aimed at the dense and uneducated in order to swing their votes..
It's a bit like saying "I pay my Council Tax and get nothing for it." Except the bins emptied, and the parks maintained, and the street lights, and the roads repaired (OK usually poorly these days but still some work gets done), and the police and fire services, and so one. But that, apparently, to the hard of understanding, doesn't count. They just pay out the money and get nothing back
Don just likes winding people up. And anybody who doesn't agree with him is a leftie. Until now. Now we're bedwetters as well
grumbledoak said:
Can I have a list of these "things we get back", please?
You as well? Follow the various links yourself - it's been done to death on here umpteen times and only the Brext guys don't appear to be able, or wiling, to take it in. Perhaps they've got memories like goldfish - when it suits them, of course
https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-membership-fee...
rs1952 said:
You as well?
Follow the various links yourself - it's been done to death on here umpteen times and only the Brext guys don't appear to be able, or wiling, to take it in. Perhaps they've got memories like goldfish - when it suits them, of course
https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-membership-fee...
"So on balance, the UK's contributions to the EU amount to some £12 billion a year or about £33 million a day.".......pocket money to some perhaps but a fooking lot of money to me.Follow the various links yourself - it's been done to death on here umpteen times and only the Brext guys don't appear to be able, or wiling, to take it in. Perhaps they've got memories like goldfish - when it suits them, of course
https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-membership-fee...
rs1952 said:
That's one of the reasons why he didn't get a reply. Don, here's a tip - you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar
The other reason he didn't get a reply is that he already knows the answer as well as I do. The UK treasury would not be £55m per day better off if we left the EU, or anywhere near it. That figure is the gross contribution and doesn't take into account things we get back. Its propaganda, pure and simple, aimed at the dense and uneducated in order to swing their votes..
It's a bit like saying "I pay my Council Tax and get nothing for it." Except the bins emptied, and the parks maintained, and the street lights, and the roads repaired (OK usually poorly these days but still some work gets done), and the police and fire services, and so one. But that, apparently, to the hard of understanding, doesn't count. They just pay out the money and get nothing back
Don just likes winding people up. And anybody who doesn't agree with him is a leftie. Until now. Now we're bedwetters as well
Hardly blameless yourself on the insulting people side of things are you old chap The other reason he didn't get a reply is that he already knows the answer as well as I do. The UK treasury would not be £55m per day better off if we left the EU, or anywhere near it. That figure is the gross contribution and doesn't take into account things we get back. Its propaganda, pure and simple, aimed at the dense and uneducated in order to swing their votes..
It's a bit like saying "I pay my Council Tax and get nothing for it." Except the bins emptied, and the parks maintained, and the street lights, and the roads repaired (OK usually poorly these days but still some work gets done), and the police and fire services, and so one. But that, apparently, to the hard of understanding, doesn't count. They just pay out the money and get nothing back
Don just likes winding people up. And anybody who doesn't agree with him is a leftie. Until now. Now we're bedwetters as well
rs1952 said:
You as well?
Follow the various links yourself - it's been done to death on here umpteen times and only the Brext guys don't appear to be able, or wiling, to take it in. Perhaps they've got memories like goldfish - when it suits them, of course
https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-membership-fee...
That doesnt appear to include the 1.7 billion they added to our bill for coke and hookers. The one CMD thumped desks about and swore we wouldnt pay.Follow the various links yourself - it's been done to death on here umpteen times and only the Brext guys don't appear to be able, or wiling, to take it in. Perhaps they've got memories like goldfish - when it suits them, of course
https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-membership-fee...
irocfan said:
rs1952 said:
That's one of the reasons why he didn't get a reply. Don, here's a tip - you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar
The other reason he didn't get a reply is that he already knows the answer as well as I do. The UK treasury would not be £55m per day better off if we left the EU, or anywhere near it. That figure is the gross contribution and doesn't take into account things we get back. Its propaganda, pure and simple, aimed at the dense and uneducated in order to swing their votes..
It's a bit like saying "I pay my Council Tax and get nothing for it." Except the bins emptied, and the parks maintained, and the street lights, and the roads repaired (OK usually poorly these days but still some work gets done), and the police and fire services, and so one. But that, apparently, to the hard of understanding, doesn't count. They just pay out the money and get nothing back
Don just likes winding people up. And anybody who doesn't agree with him is a leftie. Until now. Now we're bedwetters as well
Hardly blameless yourself on the insulting people side of things are you old chap The other reason he didn't get a reply is that he already knows the answer as well as I do. The UK treasury would not be £55m per day better off if we left the EU, or anywhere near it. That figure is the gross contribution and doesn't take into account things we get back. Its propaganda, pure and simple, aimed at the dense and uneducated in order to swing their votes..
It's a bit like saying "I pay my Council Tax and get nothing for it." Except the bins emptied, and the parks maintained, and the street lights, and the roads repaired (OK usually poorly these days but still some work gets done), and the police and fire services, and so one. But that, apparently, to the hard of understanding, doesn't count. They just pay out the money and get nothing back
Don just likes winding people up. And anybody who doesn't agree with him is a leftie. Until now. Now we're bedwetters as well
But that wasn't designed to be an insult (believe it or not!). The correct information is available out there if you take the trouble to look. If you leave it to others to form your opinions for you, without taking the trouble to challenge or query the advice/opinions given by others, then that does suggest that you may be a little lacking in the skills necessay to make an informed decision on continued EU membership or otherwise.
rs1952 said:
grumbledoak said:
Can I have a list of these "things we get back", please?
You as well? Follow the various links yourself - it's been done to death on here umpteen times and only the Brext guys don't appear to be able, or wiling, to take it in. Perhaps they've got memories like goldfish - when it suits them, of course
https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-membership-fee...
who knows what formula the the will think up going forward to screw more money out of us,
a vote to stay in is not a guarantee that things including costs will stay the same,in fact with the state of most of the EU it would not be surprising that the costs of membership rocket,
a leach has to keep leaching.
rs1952 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
don4l said:
bedwetters
So anyone supporting the 'in' vote is a bedwetter? Great debating skills...The other reason he didn't get a reply is that he already knows the answer as well as I do. The UK treasury would not be £55m per day better off if we left the EU, or anywhere near it. That figure is the gross contribution and doesn't take into account things we get back. Its propaganda, pure and simple, aimed at the dense and uneducated in order to swing their votes..
It's a bit like saying "I pay my Council Tax and get nothing for it." Except the bins emptied, and the parks maintained, and the street lights, and the roads repaired (OK usually poorly these days but still some work gets done), and the police and fire services, and so one. But that, apparently, to the hard of understanding, doesn't count. They just pay out the money and get nothing back
Don just likes winding people up. And anybody who doesn't agree with him is a leftie. Until now. Now we're bedwetters as well
Earlier today somebody complained about the negativity on both sides of the debate. I responded with a list of positive reasons why Britain would be better off as an independent country. Guess what... my post was totally ignored.
Here is the list:-
don4l said:
We could negotiate our own trade deals with countries like India and China. Unlike the EU, these countries have growing economies.
We would re-take our seat on the World Trade Orginisaton.
We would take full control of our foreign policy.
We could get back to dredging our waterways.
We would restore our fishing waters to UK based fishermen.
We could do away with many useless and costly EU directives.
We would reduce the deficit by £50Bn a year.
Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan would lose their jobs.
We could re-open some of our coal fired power stations and bring down the cost of electricity.
The list goes on, and on.
I am more than happy to engage in serious conversation, but you lefties don't seem to be able to engage at an intellectual level. All you want to do is hurl abuse.We would re-take our seat on the World Trade Orginisaton.
We would take full control of our foreign policy.
We could get back to dredging our waterways.
We would restore our fishing waters to UK based fishermen.
We could do away with many useless and costly EU directives.
We would reduce the deficit by £50Bn a year.
Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan would lose their jobs.
We could re-open some of our coal fired power stations and bring down the cost of electricity.
The list goes on, and on.
Why don't you put forward some positive reasons for staying in the EU?
I would suggest that you cannot. The only reasons for staying that you can come up with depend on fear of the unknown.
That is why I use the term "bedwetter".
alfie2244 said:
rs1952 said:
No - not tonight. I've been having a row on a railway related forum and I'm just taking a break on PH before the next round
How much it costs to go 1st class from Brussels to Strasbourg for 5000 people and lots of freight?don4l said:
Thank you for replying to my post. I do appreciate the attention, even when you are telling me that you are ignoring me. I love irony.
I was replying to tangerine sedge, not you. If you want to read my reply on an open discussion forum then you are of course quite at liberty to do so rs1952 said:
alfie2244 said:
rs1952 said:
No - not tonight. I've been having a row on a railway related forum and I'm just taking a break on PH before the next round
How much it costs to go 1st class from Brussels to Strasbourg for 5000 people and lots of freight?rs1952 said:
don4l said:
Thank you for replying to my post. I do appreciate the attention, even when you are telling me that you are ignoring me. I love irony.
I was replying to tangerine sedge, not you. If you want to read my reply on an open discussion forum then you are of course quite at liberty to do sodon4l said:
rs1952 said:
don4l said:
Thank you for replying to my post. I do appreciate the attention, even when you are telling me that you are ignoring me. I love irony.
I was replying to tangerine sedge, not you. If you want to read my reply on an open discussion forum then you are of course quite at liberty to do soGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff