So who wants to remain in the EU?

[irocfan]

you could also argue that if we don't import French/German/Italian food we'd actually eat home grown?

[Beati Dogu]

It seems that EU bureaucrats don't like being called bureaucrats.

They should consider themselves lucky; I'd call them much worse to their face.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3460287/Do...

[Digga]

irocfan said:

you could also argue that if we don't import French/German/Italian food we'd actually eat home grown?

When the Royal Navy has blasted the last Spanish trawler out of our waters we'll all be able to eat fish and chips every night for a fiver. So fk em!

[Thorodin]

Northern Munkee said:

Thorodin said:

Hopefully, and especially in the media as opposed to inglorious struggles on-line, the arguments will mature into evidential facts that can be relied on. Although it is very early yet, only two days, amazingly little is actually 'known', be it In or Out. Further, there are very few credible observers giving views without an axe being ground.
So far the only way to make one's mind up is to go to the people involved. When you look at those politicians involved in the Out camp there is not even one there that I would have confidence in following an Out vote.
B.Johnson, Gove, Duncan-Smith, Grayling, Farage, Galloway. A motley Cap'n Pugwash crew. That ship would sink at the first trade wind. Hope it gets better.

With the possible, and I stress possible exception of Johnson, who could be PM, but probably wouldn't be forgiven for the turmoil in the Tory Party (he'll be seen as the traitor who wielded the knife) if Cameron quit, then it could be Osborne, unless the Tories felt unable to govern after the loss (but I don't think they would), parties don't give up power lightly. I suspect with an out vote (that's a big if btw) it'll be the super negotiator CMD leading any exit negotiation. Or Osborne. I can't imagine Cameron or Osborne having any of the Tories in that Out group in govt after a Brexit vote.

So you wouldn't need to worry about the first trade wind.

You may be right but I wasn't thinking of those individuals being at the helm under those circs! I was alluding to their standing and reputation as world standard quality judgement makers! They are hardly men worthy of untrammelled respect and admiration. If such people are to take a side it's probably wiser to take the other side, whatever that may be!

[technodup]

zygalski said:

please tell me what the effects will be on the UK economy, trade & jobs in the first 5 years after an exit from the EU. Also, please tell me your calculations for both the cost/benefit analysis for Brexit & how you came to those figures.

Great, your confident tone suggests you must be able to give us employment stats for 2021 if we stay in. Or the €/£ rate? Or how many migrants we'll have? No?

Given that none of us can predict the future I'd say in is just as dark as out. But with more strings attached.

[Digga]

Don't forget the mantra of the left & public sector:

"We fear change."

They are not, by nature, copers.

[grumbledoak]

Beati Dogu said:

They should consider themselves lucky; I'd call them much worse to their face.

As far as I can tell calling them names is about all you can do to them. And they know it.

Crack on.

[irocfan]

Thorodin said:

You may be right but I wasn't thinking of those individuals being at the helm under those circs! I was alluding to their standing and reputation as world standard quality judgement makers! They are hardly men worthy of untrammelled respect and admiration. If such people are to take a side it's probably wiser to take the other side, whatever that may be!

well seeing as brown, blair, Cameron & corbyn are all pro-EU I'll happily take IDS, Gove, BJ et al

[John145]

irocfan said:

Thorodin said:

You may be right but I wasn't thinking of those individuals being at the helm under those circs! I was alluding to their standing and reputation as world standard quality judgement makers! They are hardly men worthy of untrammelled respect and admiration. If such people are to take a side it's probably wiser to take the other side, whatever that may be!

well seeing as brown, blair, Cameron & corbyn are all pro-EU I'll happily take IDS, Gove, BJ et al

Only a couple of months ago Corbyn was described as a "terrorist sympathiser", further evidenced by his whipping for In.

[FiF]

Digga said:

irocfan said:

you could also argue that if we don't import French/German/Italian food we'd actually eat home grown?

When the Royal Navy has blasted the last Spanish trawler out of our waters we'll all be able to eat fish and chips every night for a fiver. So fk em!

Let's not forget that the maritime surveillance needed for border control and fisheries protection will mean extra resources for the Royal Navy. So we bolster our armed forces and just as a bonus, who is the best rapid reaction aid agency around, could it be the Royal Navy? Win win win!

:justwindinguptheremainians:

[Beati Dogu]

Plus some maritime patrol planes for the RAF while we're at it. Maybe we can get some decent American kit for once too.

[zygalski]

technodup said:

zygalski said:

please tell me what the effects will be on the UK economy, trade & jobs in the first 5 years after an exit from the EU. Also, please tell me your calculations for both the cost/benefit analysis for Brexit & how you came to those figures.

Great, your confident tone suggests you must be able to give us employment stats for 2021 if we stay in. Or the €/£ rate? Or how many migrants we'll have? No?

Given that none of us can predict the future I'd say in is just as dark as out. But with more strings attached.

Plenty in here pretending they know it'll be all milk & honey after Brexit though, eh?
Truth is, none of us know. The only thing for certain is that we are currently a member of the EU & our economy is doing ok.

[///ajd]

wow, some interesting views coming out

- rather side with grayling and ids - really? they are more credible?
- lets not import forrin food, just fish and chips for all
- lets isolate ourselves from forriners
- economically out is same risk as in

this has gone 'full religious' already, just like the neverendum

i fear something has gone terribly wrong in the education system (gove again)

[CrutyRammers]

zygalski said:

technodup said:

zygalski said:

please tell me what the effects will be on the UK economy, trade & jobs in the first 5 years after an exit from the EU. Also, please tell me your calculations for both the cost/benefit analysis for Brexit & how you came to those figures.

Great, your confident tone suggests you must be able to give us employment stats for 2021 if we stay in. Or the €/£ rate? Or how many migrants we'll have? No?

Given that none of us can predict the future I'd say in is just as dark as out. But with more strings attached.

Plenty in here pretending they know it'll be all milk & honey after Brexit though, eh?
Truth is, none of us know. The only thing for certain is that we are currently a member of the EU & our economy is doing ok.

So are the greeks and the spanish, remind me how they are doing again?

[Smollet]

Digga said:

When the Royal Navy has blasted the last Spanish trawler out of our waters we'll all be able to eat fish and chips every night for a fiver. So fk em!

I already pay £4.65 for that

[Scuffers]

///ajd said:

wow, some interesting views coming out

- rather side with grayling and ids - really? they are more credible?
- lets not import forrin food, just fish and chips for all
- lets isolate ourselves from forriners
- economically out is same risk as in

this has gone 'full religious' already, just like the neverendum

i fear something has gone terribly wrong in the education system (gove again)

it's not about how credible individuals are, it's about what's right for the UK.

I detest people like Galloway, but that does not mean I disagree with his view on the EU

Not sure what your on about with importing food, we have little choice as we have not been self-sufficient for decades, it would be good to get back our territorial waters though.

Brexit has nothing to do with isolating ourselves from foreigners, you can argue just the opposite, with Brexit we can re-engage with the rest of the world.

can't argue with the last point, everything is a economic risk, it's there to be understood and managed.

[irocfan]

///ajd said:

wow, some interesting views coming out

- rather side with grayling and ids - really? they are more credible?
- lets not import forrin food, just fish and chips for all
- lets isolate ourselves from forriners
- economically out is same risk as in

this has gone 'full religious' already, just like the neverendum

i fear something has gone terribly wrong in the education system (gove again)

and here is the problem in a nutshell... you mentioned IDS, Grove, Grayling it was put to you that having corbyn, broon and blair wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement for credibility and all you can do is come back with IDS/Grayling blah blah...
someone mentioned about food exports and it was said well how about eating local produce rather than import even more (incidentally a very 'green' solution) and you're wittering on about forrin food...
let's isolate ourselves from forrinnnnurs? Who the fk said that? So the cry now is outers are waycist?
economically - yes there is a degree of risk by leaving, there is also a degree of risk by staying in a stagnant, socialist paradise. We could thrive on our own, we might be slightly better/worse off who knows

I'll agree that this debate has gone 'full religious' - but the fanatics are not restricted to any particular side

[plasticpig]

Scuffers said:

Salmon is exported all over the world already, uae is a massive market for Scottish salmon.

Beef is easy, refrigerated containers, same way new Zealand lamb used to be shipped here before we joined the eec

It's still far more expensive than shipping to the EU.

[MarshPhantom]

irocfan said:

you could also argue that if we don't import French/German/Italian food we'd actually eat home grown?

Great news, have you seen the prices at Farmers Markets.

[powerstroke]

plasticpig said:

Not all foods can be shipped like bananas are. Try shipping fresh beef/salmon like you do bananas and you will run into problems.

Yes we would have to invent something !!! you might be on to a winner , maybe you could insulate a shipping container and fit a small refer into it that plugs into the ship or you could fly insulated containers but you would have to invent a thing like a mecanical bird ....